GASabresIUFAN Posted June 29, 2021 Report Share Posted June 29, 2021 8 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: They've been better the last couple years... we'll really find out this season. Is this an admission? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gatorman0519 Posted June 29, 2021 Report Share Posted June 29, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Thorny said: Can I say I didn't necessarily see this, without saying I have no hope for Granato? When we tout all year how bad of a coach Krueger was, and by data it seems to be true, and we see literally zero uptick in overall metrics after he goes, and we win a little more, is it possible the small improvement we saw was down to, if not luck, a regression to the mean of coaching aptitude? Candidly, I think anyone would be hard pressed to make a compelling argument that the small performance uptick we saw was more due to Granato, an unknown at the NHL head coaching level, than it was due to simply the dismissal of Krueger. Would you be shocked to learn Krueger was a net negative behind the bench and that you or I standing behind it, and doing nothing, would be an improvement? Maybe, but Granato has a large body of work that has shown success and knows hockey quite well. I’ve been watching his coaching videos. Very impressive. Edited June 29, 2021 by Gatorman0519 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gatorman0519 Posted June 29, 2021 Report Share Posted June 29, 2021 20 minutes ago, Marvin, Sabres Fan said: Given how terrible the Sabres have been drafting. you could have fooled me. Could it be that maybe we were that bad at developing? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gomper Posted June 29, 2021 Report Share Posted June 29, 2021 Hilarious how Hamilton and GR never have the news first. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gatorman0519 Posted June 29, 2021 Report Share Posted June 29, 2021 48 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: No *****? Huh who knew I said that not to be derogatory but that you based your position on your personal scouting report, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 29, 2021 Report Share Posted June 29, 2021 1 minute ago, Gatorman0519 said: Could it be that maybe we were that bad at developing? My theory is that it's more often a failure to meet self-imposed expectation, than outright failure. Often, the expectations are unreasonably high for our prospects because, being unable to field a competent NHL roster, we've chosen to necessarily require and expect too much from them too soon. Take your pick of prospect. The extent to which they get perceived as failures of development could be impacted by this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanley Lombardi Posted June 29, 2021 Report Share Posted June 29, 2021 Godspeed, Coach Granato. I think they finally found the right man. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted June 29, 2021 Report Share Posted June 29, 2021 26 minutes ago, Stanley Lombardi said: Godspeed, Coach Granato. I think they finally found the right man. Welcome to the board. Speaking of God, I hope to God you are right. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogelthorpe Posted June 29, 2021 Report Share Posted June 29, 2021 What a great choice! Tank 3.0 To blight for Wright! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallawaySabres Posted June 29, 2021 Report Share Posted June 29, 2021 It would be interesting to know if anyone they interviewed even wanted the job 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_sauve28 Posted June 29, 2021 Report Share Posted June 29, 2021 3 minutes ago, CallawaySabres said: It would be interesting to know if anyone they interviewed even wanted the job Well, they did interview 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miles Posted June 29, 2021 Report Share Posted June 29, 2021 why do i get the impression this will be no better than the last few coaches 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted June 29, 2021 Report Share Posted June 29, 2021 53 minutes ago, Stanley Lombardi said: Godspeed, Coach Granato. I think they finally found the right man. Welcome Stan (is it okay if I call you Stan?)!! Sent you a beer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted June 29, 2021 Report Share Posted June 29, 2021 Music to my ears. Thank you Pegula's!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted June 29, 2021 Report Share Posted June 29, 2021 1 hour ago, Thorny said: My theory is that it's more often a failure to meet self-imposed expectation, than outright failure. Often, the expectations are unreasonably high for our prospects because, being unable to field a competent NHL roster, we've chosen to necessarily require and expect too much from them too soon. Take your pick of prospect. The extent to which they get perceived as failures of development could be impacted by this. Been that way since Pierre Turgeon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radar Posted June 29, 2021 Report Share Posted June 29, 2021 35 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said: why do i get the impression this will be no better than the last few coaches Please!! Tell us. 46 minutes ago, CallawaySabres said: It would be interesting to know if anyone they interviewed even wanted the job So, why would tbey interview? Asking for a friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerreaultForever Posted June 29, 2021 Report Share Posted June 29, 2021 15 minutes ago, Radar said: Please!! Tell us. So, why would tbey interview? Asking for a friend. To see how much money was on the table and how much term and control. Everyone has a price. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude Balls Posted June 29, 2021 Report Share Posted June 29, 2021 10 years with no playoffs, what's another 3+ gonna matter. I liked what I saw for the first month under Meatballs, but then they seemed to regress again. Once Adams gets taken to the woodshed with the Sam and Jack inevitable trades, all I can say is thank God for the Bills. I don't know how any coach could turn this dumpster fire around. I truly wish you well Donnie. I think you're a great person, but, you gotta huge mountain to climb. My question is, who goes first, Adams or Granato?? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted June 29, 2021 Report Share Posted June 29, 2021 I'm good with this. Was a different story when I was under the assumption that we were keeping Eichel. I think Don knows hockey better than anyone, and his passion for the game seems up there as well. That'll rub off on players, and I think it already has - I wouldn't be surprised if he got glowing reviews from the guys that Kevyn deemed the "young core," who fired him up with their end of season meetings. Regarding "metrics" before/after Donny, part of that had to be the fact that Ralph got 20 games with Jack and his entire season with Hall - they obviously weren't playing good hockey this year, but they both put up good "metrics", and without them, Don's top six centers were Reinhart playing C for the first meaningful stretch of time in his career, and Mitts, who Don resurrected from Sabres fans' mental prospect cemetery. Don's typical day to day roster was far more inexperienced than Ralph's, and had to face teams ramping up their play for the playoffs - a stretch of the season where the Sabres would typically wilt, not compete, and go on extended losing streaks throughout the last decade. Don had this team frustrating very good playoff-bound teams during this time, and you'd be lying if you said that was something we've seen even once in recent springs. Just looking at xGF% and things like it without taking these things and more into consideration isn't really something worth worrying over IMO. If Kevyn can put a real roster together, I'm confident that from what I've seen and heard, Don at the very least won't be a problem, and could be a real asset. His knowledge and passion are clear, genuine, honest, his humility is respectable, his resume is impressive, and he got something I never expected out of at least 3 players I was very worried about 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted June 30, 2021 Report Share Posted June 30, 2021 This beats out the Bylsma hiring as the happiest I've been about a Sabre coaching hire by a bit, actually 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalonill Posted June 30, 2021 Report Share Posted June 30, 2021 6 hours ago, Brawndo said: They did go big game hunting and were told thanks but no thanks Who did they go for ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted June 30, 2021 Report Share Posted June 30, 2021 28 minutes ago, Randall Flagg said: I'm good with this. Was a different story when I was under the assumption that we were keeping Eichel. I think Don knows hockey better than anyone, and his passion for the game seems up there as well. That'll rub off on players, and I think it already has - I wouldn't be surprised if he got glowing reviews from the guys that Kevyn deemed the "young core," who fired him up with their end of season meetings. Regarding "metrics" before/after Donny, part of that had to be the fact that Ralph got 20 games with Jack and his entire season with Hall - they obviously weren't playing good hockey this year, but they both put up good "metrics", and without them, Don's top six centers were Reinhart playing C for the first meaningful stretch of time in his career, and Mitts, who Don resurrected from Sabres fans' mental prospect cemetery. Don's typical day to day roster was far more inexperienced than Ralph's, and had to face teams ramping up their play for the playoffs - a stretch of the season where the Sabres would typically wilt, not compete, and go on extended losing streaks throughout the last decade. Don had this team frustrating very good playoff-bound teams during this time, and you'd be lying if you said that was something we've seen even once in recent springs. Just looking at xGF% and things like it without taking these things and more into consideration isn't really something worth worrying over IMO. If Kevyn can put a real roster together, I'm confident that from what I've seen and heard, Don at the very least won't be a problem, and could be a real asset. His knowledge and passion are clear, genuine, honest, his humility is respectable, his resume is impressive, and he got something I never expected out of at least 3 players I was very worried about Granato's success is predicated on KA adding enough talent to give him a chance to succeed. If the expected departing assets don't bring enough of a return to spread out and add to the talent base, and if the increased cap room is not smartly utilized then Granato is not going to succeed, or would any other coaching hire. The one position that would have the most positive influence is solidifying the goaltending. It's unlikely that the talent that will be shipped out will be matched with the talent coming, at least for the short term. But that doesn't mean that next year's roster can't be thickened and improved upon. What it comes down to is that Granato's chances of succeeding is predicated on Adams doing a smart job this offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zamboni Posted June 30, 2021 Report Share Posted June 30, 2021 If a goaltending improvement is not addressed, Granato will fail. That MUST be priority #1. The other pieces are important for sure. But solidify the goaltending KA. Don’t screw over Meatballs. If KA doesn’t improve that position, I’d like to see him gone before the end of next season. Yes, I would give KA a few months to try to improve goaltending. I’m not as hair-trigger to fire the guy like some of you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 30, 2021 Report Share Posted June 30, 2021 3 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said: Is this an admission? We've covered this numerous times so no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted June 30, 2021 Report Share Posted June 30, 2021 2 hours ago, Mike Honcho said: why do i get the impression this will be no better than the last few coaches Did you feel the same way when the Bills hired McDermott? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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