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Not at all surprised by this, but it's really not relevant at this point.  It wasn't realistic to think this would happen during the season.  TP could easily change his mind on this after the season -- just like he could easily decide to can JB entirely.

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Ah yes.  The infamous vote of confidence .

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TP likes to quote how JBOT won a title at "this level" and at "that level" --- blah, blah, blah.  The fact is he was there, and he contributed, but he was not the architect or leader. 

Big difference. 

If I am TP I put someone with real experience building a team over JBOT, and I do it before he makes another big trade. 

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5 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

TP likes to quote how JBOT won a title at "this level" and at "that level" --- blah, blah, blah.  The fact is he was there, and he contributed, but he was not the architect or leader. 

Big difference. 

If I am TP I put someone with real experience building a team over JBOT, and I do it before he makes another big trade. 

Again, experience is overrated. Look what Salic and Yzerman have done. You just have to surround yourself with smart people and have a plan in place.

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13 minutes ago, tom webster said:

Again, experience is overrated. Look what Salic and Yzerman have done. You just have to surround yourself with smart people and have a plan in place.

Yzerman walked into a perfect situation to learn on the job. 

Hiring a former star player with no FO experience to run your team has worked sometimes and it fails a lot too.   Terry can keep using his same formula of inexperienced GMs and coaches and eventually he could get lucky too, but i am not counting on it.

Experience is not overrated.  It is what you look for when you know you cannot just hope to get lucky.  

Smart people and good plans - if it were only that easy.  JBOT is smart and his plan is probably good too.  But he is failing to execute that plan so far.  Most of his moves are bad, or at least highly questionable.  Three off seasons to improve the talent.  He has Eichel and Dahlin.  Two years in a row he has does NOTHING to fix a team mid season.  Season 4 of JBOT Hockey is on its way.   Oh boy.  

 

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38 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

TP likes to quote how JBOT won a title at "this level" and at "that level" --- blah, blah, blah.  The fact is he was there, and he contributed, but he was not the architect or leader. 

Big difference. 

If I am TP I put someone with real experience building a team over JBOT, and I do it before he makes another big trade. 

Why keep Botteril?  Hire an experienced GM like Ray Shero. I don’t want Botteril driving the Zamboni. 

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What a surprise.  The bigger the outcry for a VP of Hockey Ops, the more the clueless dig their heels in. 

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2 hours ago, nfreeman said:

Not at all surprised by this, but it's really not relevant at this point.  It wasn't realistic to think this would happen during the season.  TP could easily change his mind on this after the season -- just like he could easily decide to can JB entirely.

I don't think there are any meaningful people who would want the job if Terry wants any direct control. The hope is he by some unforseen circumstance  by chance just happens to hire a competent GM. Or Jbott learns the job which is looking less likely by the hour.

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5 minutes ago, Radar said:

I don't think there are any meaningful people who would want the job if Terry wants any direct control. The hope is he by some unforseen circumstance  by chance just happens to hire a competent GM. Or Jbott learns the job which is looking less likely by the hour.

If Terry has direct control, it doesn't really matter who they hire.

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I don't get the obssession with hiring a president to oversee a GM, Its like I'm working at my company where they just create another manager position so you have an extra guy to pay to do ***** all.

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Just now, PASabreFan said:

If Terry has direct control, it doesn't really matter who they hire.

That may be true. He's the owner and has every right but hopefully he hires competent GM's which , at this point, has been questionable. A president of hockey operations could only advise him.

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1 hour ago, tom webster said:

Again, experience is overrated. Look what Salic and Yzerman have done. You just have to surround yourself with smart people and have a plan in place.

Usually experienced people, Amiright?

Of course experienced isn't the be all, end all.  It does provide a track record you can use to evaluate though.  For every Yzerman there is a GMTM.  The less experience, the greater the risk of an incorrect evaluation.

If I am an inexperienced NHL owner I want experienced people below me that know when I am going to make a misstep and have the clout that experience brings to shut me down before I do it.

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Personally, I think the bigger problem is Mrs. Pegula.  She is a legend in her own mind.  Unfortunately the rest of the league may look upon the Buffalo Sabres upper eschelon and think "What a joke!"  Sorry!

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4 hours ago, tom webster said:

Again, experience is overrated. Look what Salic and Yzerman have done. You just have to surround yourself with smart people and have a plan in place.

It's worth noting that Sakic spent a lot of time being terrible before the Avs turned it around. I agree with you, just don't think he's a good example. 

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I think people need to realize that a POHO will demand to take away as much power from the Pegulas as from JBott. For this reason alone, there will be no POHO. Pegs likes his little hobby. 

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Good luck selling seats next year.  It is going to be ugly.  Who is going to pay to watch yet another year of this?

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4 hours ago, Radar said:

I don't think there are any meaningful people who would want the job if Terry wants any direct control. The hope is he by some unforseen circumstance  by chance just happens to hire a competent GM. Or Jbott learns the job which is looking less likely by the hour.

 

 

This is the problem TP is de facto Pres of Hockey Ops.  

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3 minutes ago, Second Line Center said:

 

 

This is the problem TP is de facto Pres of Hockey Ops.  

No, this is not the problem.  If you need a GM above the GM, then the GM is worthless.  The problem is that the GM sucks.

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Just now, Eleven said:

No, this is not the problem.  If you need a GM above the GM, then the GM is worthless.  The problem is that the GM sucks.

 

Yes but you aren't getting good talented people that ultimately have to work with and answer to a natural gas tycoon.

The organization doesn't exude winning at all costs.  Its something else.  I dont get how half these guys are still here.  

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3 minutes ago, Second Line Center said:

Yes but you aren't getting good talented people that ultimately have to work with and answer to a natural gas tycoon.

Bull-stuff.  Pizza tycoons have won Cups and so have folks that just inherited teams.  None of them know a thing about hockey.  They need one--and I do mean one--person who knows hockey at the top.  It doesn't matter whether they call that person a GM or a president of hockey operations.  To have two means to have none.

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I wonder how many of the 31 teams lack a person with the official title of “president of hockey operations”

and is it the same or different (in the eyes of the team) as the title of “president”.

And do all teams have an assistant GM? 
It seems some teams use different titles than others.

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