Jacque Richard Posted December 5, 2017 Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 I don’t feel bad for any of Sabre stiff losing their job here, see ya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted December 5, 2017 Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 Which stat line belongs to Leino and which is Moulson 137gms 10g, 36a 46pts -18 176gms 22g, 31a 51pts -18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erickompositör72 Posted December 5, 2017 Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 Which stat line belongs to Leino and which is Moulson 137gms 10g, 36a 46pts -18 LEINO 176gms 22g, 31a 51pts -18 MOULSON yes? (didn't look it up) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted December 5, 2017 Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 It was doomed to fail. You can't completely clear a cupboard and expect things to right themselves. What followed was inevitable. Other teams have done it and succeeded. The purpose of the tank was to have the best chance at getting elite talent, which it did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted December 5, 2017 Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 (edited) The problem with the tank isn't that we stripped everything out, it's that the core we got with it (Eichel, Reinhart, Risto, O'Reilly, Kane, Bogosian, Lehner, Okposo sorta) simply isn't good enough. You need depth to make deep playoff runs, but if the top end had delivered better, we wouldn't be in last place. Whoever you want to blame for that, be it all the players, some of the players, Murray, bad luck, whatever. Edit: To expand upon this, Eichel was never going to be good enough to do it all himself (to be fair, neither is any hockey player). We needed Risto to be a top pair guy, not a second pair. We needed Reinhart to at least get to a Krejci-level player. We needed *someone* (or three) to be 2nd round or later surprises. And so on. But guess what? Every rebuild needs these things to get a team to contending status from the bottom of the league. We could have better depth and be absolutely no better off without having filled out the top pair and the top-6 with better players. Edited December 5, 2017 by TrueBlueGED Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted December 5, 2017 Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 (edited) Other teams have done it and succeeded. The purpose of the tank was to have the best chance at getting elite talent, which it did. Though we have to allow for the possibility that the tank achieved it's purpose, yet not success. But the Sabres could very easily have found themselves in this same position even with some of the same players without the intentional tanking actions. Poor drafting was the current that carried this team downstream. Edited December 5, 2017 by Thorny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#freejame Posted December 5, 2017 Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 Which stat line belongs to Leino and which is Moulson 137gms 10g, 36a 46pts -18 176gms 22g, 31a 51pts -18 What's the points per dollar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted December 5, 2017 Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 I'm pretty sure the answer is no, but I'll ask the question anyway: Can Reino or Eichel be sent down to Rochester without clearing waivers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted December 5, 2017 Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 Though we have to allow for the possibility that the tank achieved it's purpose, yet not success. Though, the Sabres could very easily have found themselves in this same position even with some of the same players without the intentional tanking actions. Poor drafting was the current that carried this team downstream. Right. Everyone has such a bitter taste from the tank (understandably so) that everything gets blamed on the decision. But the bottom line is teams that draft poorly for nearly a decade straight suck regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted December 5, 2017 Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 Though we have to allow for the possibility that the tank achieved it's purpose, yet not success. But the Sabres could very easily have found themselves in this same position even with some of the same players without the intentional tanking actions. Poor drafting was the current that carried this team downstream. True, it achieved it's purpose. Everything after that is what has failed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthEbriate Posted December 5, 2017 Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 Well, shoot. Now I have to expend all my Moulson = Force. I felt a great disturbance in the Moulson... You don't believe in the Moulson, do you? The Moulson's contract with be with you... always. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabel79 Posted December 5, 2017 Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 I'm pretty sure the answer is no, but I'll ask the question anyway: Can Reino or Eichel be sent down to Rochester without clearing waivers? Nope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted December 5, 2017 Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 I'm pretty sure the answer is no, but I'll ask the question anyway: Can Reino or Eichel be sent down to Rochester without clearing waivers? I believe players are waiver eligible after 160 games played. So both Eichel and Reinhart would have to clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted December 5, 2017 Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 I believe players are waiver eligible after 160 games played. So both Eichel and Reinhart would have to clear. Pretty sure some people are in enough of an emotional frenzy to be happy if both got waived and claimed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted December 5, 2017 Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 It's too bad -- I think they both would benefit from some AHL time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted December 5, 2017 Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 It's too bad -- I think they both would benefit from some AHL time. It's called injury rehab assignment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted December 5, 2017 Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 I'm pretty sure the answer is no, but I'll ask the question anyway: Can Reino or Eichel be sent down to Rochester without clearing waivers? I thought third-year pros were exempt, but Thorny may be right. The only benefit the minors would have for Eichel and Reinhart is getting them away from the current poisonous atmosphere. But if they aren’t able to persevere through it - it’s absurd to suggest they aren’t NHL players right now - then I don’t want them anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted December 5, 2017 Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 It's called injury rehab assignment. Tandem bicycle incident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted December 5, 2017 Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 Tandem bicycle incident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted December 5, 2017 Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 Not surprisingly he clears waivers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkard Posted December 5, 2017 Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 Not surprisingly he clears waivers Now we just have to hope he refuses to report and retires. I doubt it will happen, but there's still a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted December 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 Now we just have to hope he refuses to report and retires. I doubt it will happen, but there's still a chance. His cap hit is $5m this year and next. His actual take home pay in the AHL this year is $5m, but next year it's only $3m, so maybe he plays out the year then hangs it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woods-racer Posted December 5, 2017 Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 His cap hit is $5m this year and next. His actual take home pay in the AHL this year is $5m, but next year it's only $3m, so maybe he plays out the year then hangs it up. 3 million is not chump change. I doubt he leaves without it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabre fan Posted December 5, 2017 Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 this is very funny...thank God for Geico and their great ads... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPie Posted December 5, 2017 Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 3 million is not chump change. I doubt he leaves without it. Depends on how much he likes playing hockey, I guess. He's made at least $22M in the last four years, it's not like the other $3M is going to make or break him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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