Eleven Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 Right. So who's our Forsberg? And Roy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 My honest guess: Ownership said "no" to that. Otherwise, I imagine they'd listen to offers. That would be, ya know... Right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 And Roy? You're getting ahead of yourself here... Roy didn't come until a few years later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustache of God Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 Here's the story that quote comes from http://www.buffalohockeybeat.com/waiving-matt-moulson-difficult-sabres/ More thoughts this time from Vogl http://buffalonews.com/2017/12/04/sabres-oreilly-knows-moulson-move-could-be-just-the-start/ Oh nice, Crisco sent down and E-Rod called up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 You don't know until you trade Jack. Forsberg came from the Lindros trade. Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 You're getting ahead of yourself here... Roy didn't come until a few years later. Yes but Colorado doesn't win those Cups without him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 Yes but Colorado doesn't win those Cups without him. Agreed. Funny now, but you may remember that Roy demanded out of Montreal after the Red Wings hung 11 goals on him in a game and the Habs didn't pull him. He was furious. It was that incident that resulted in Roy becoming an Av; later that season the Avs eliminated the Wings in the conference finals with Roy in net. I was living in Detroit at the time; gawd that was a great rivalry while it lasted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 So, he was officially waived at noon, right? And he can hang on that wire for 24 hours, right? If so, by noon tomorrow he will have to report to Rochester, if no team picks him up right? Or, does he have some time to decide what he wants to do? Maybe he has to think about it now. Just muttering to myself ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 Agreed. Funny now, but you may remember that Roy demanded out of Montreal after the Red Wings hung 11 goals on him in a game and the Habs didn't pull him. He was furious. It was that incident that resulted in Roy becoming an Av; later that season the Avs eliminated the Wings in the conference finals with Roy in net. I was living in Detroit at the time; gawd that was a great rivalry while it lasted. I remember it well but I don't think it was 11 goals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R_Dudley Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 Well that's interesting. So is this the beginning of no more Mr. Nice Guy or more akin to reshuffling deck chairs on the Titanic? Seems like a lot of you are looking at this as the tip of the iceberg for additional moves coming. I guess it's only logical to assume it took this long because they were shopping him and even offered to eat salary as I read in one of the links on this thread. I am not so sure anything else is imminent. It took them this long to even make this one move. If we somehow start to look better and not lose everyone of the next 4 games i see nothing happening till next year. If we do still look as bad and continue to lose then i agree more moves have been discussed and are queued up waiting to happen and maybe one more before the 12/19 holiday roster freeze.. Do we start another betting thread on the whose next? it Sux that unless they figure out how and start playing some real hockey this seems like that's all we have to talk about up to the trading deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 They are not going to figure out how to hockey if they haven't by now. I guarantee more moves are coming. This team is out of the playoffs and it's time to start handling assets accordingly and looking towards next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 When will we know if he's cleared or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 When will we know if he's cleared or not? Tomorrow at noon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 I remember it well but I don't think it was 11 goals. From Wiki, "The Avalanche and Red Wings met in the playoffs five times from 1996 to 2002, with the Avs winning in 1996, 1999 and 2000, and the Wings winning in 1997 and 2002. The heated competition between both teams started with the infamous December 2, 1995, game in Montreal, which was an 11–1 loss to Detroit that resulted in Roy's mid-season trade to Colorado on December 6..." I could be wrong, but I think the reason Roy was furious is that they made him play the whole game. After he left the ice he told Habs management he would never play for them again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 (edited) From Wiki, "The Avalanche and Red Wings met in the playoffs five times from 1996 to 2002, with the Avs winning in 1996, 1999 and 2000, and the Wings winning in 1997 and 2002. The heated competition between both teams started with the infamous December 2, 1995, game in Montreal, which was an 11–1 loss to Detroit that resulted in Roy's mid-season trade to Colorado on December 6..." I could be wrong, but I think the reason Roy was furious is that they made him play the whole game. After he left the ice he told Habs management he would never play for them again. No--he left during the game. But he was mad about being left in for 9. Here you go: Edited December 4, 2017 by Eleven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 Ah, okay. I stand corrected. The point is pretty much the same when you get up to that many goals though, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
French Collection Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 I wonder if management can have him "retire" and then pay him a behind closed door settlement to get cap relief. How about pay his salary in the European league of his choice? JBot could convince TP to drill another well and pay Matty what he is owed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 (edited) No, they can't. There are provisions in the CBA against circumvention. Edited December 4, 2017 by Taro T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 (edited) No, they can't. There are provisions in the CBA against circumvision. Are you talking about that thing that a mohel does? Or circumvention? 'Cause I'm getting awfully concerned here about just what the players may or may not have bargained for. Edited December 4, 2017 by Eleven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miles Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 couldnt he retire and get a front office position at the same pay he is getting? that should be legit, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTS Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 I wonder who that's directed at? *cough* Jack *cough* I don't think so. I think Moulson is a popular guy on the team and while players know his skills haven't earned him the shot on the ice at the same time I think they like having him around. He's got a relationship with Eichel from housing him his first year and he has a history with Okposo. I think Eichel and Okposo are going to be very upset that he was sent down. I think the ROR quotes kind of point to that as well. So, he was officially waived at noon, right? And he can hang on that wire for 24 hours, right? If so, by noon tomorrow he will have to report to Rochester, if no team picks him up right? Or, does he have some time to decide what he wants to do? Maybe he has to think about it now. Just muttering to myself ... He doesn't have to report per se. He's on the Amerks roster at that point. If he doesn't report they can suspend him but I don't think that will be the case. He may report and be scratched and not actually show up. Who knows. He may also just go down there and play. Are you talking about that thing that a mohel does? Or circumvention? 'Cause I'm getting awfully concerned here about just what the players may or may not have bargained for. http://www.nhlpa.com/inside-nhlpa/collective-bargaining-agreement - read all about it.. there are a lot of things in there around circumvention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkard Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 No, they can't. There are provisions in the CBA against circumvention. They aren't really enforced though. Look at the way Chicago was able to get out from under Hossa's cap hit. The guy had a "skin condition" he had admittedly dealt with for years then magically reaches unbearable levels exactly when his contract started paying him just $1 million per season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 I don't think so. I think Moulson is a popular guy on the team and while players know his skills haven't earned him the shot on the ice at the same time I think they like having him around. He's got a relationship with Eichel from housing him his first year and he has a history with Okposo. I think Eichel and Okposo are going to be very upset that he was sent down. I think the ROR quotes kind of point to that as well. Maybe if they got upset about the piss poor effort they have all been putting forth they wouldn't have had to get pissed off at Moulson being waived. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 Are you talking about that thing that a mohel does? Or circumvention? 'Cause I'm getting awfully concerned here about just what the players may or may not have bargained for. :lol: Yes, circumvention. :doh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 http://www.nhlpa.com/inside-nhlpa/collective-bargaining-agreement - read all about it.. there are a lot of things in there around circumvention. Genesis 17:10-14 - read all about it. There are a lot of things in there about circumcision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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