Mustache of God Posted December 7, 2017 Report Share Posted December 7, 2017 My hope is that MM does so well in Ontario that he impresses the coaches enough that LA wants him. Everybody wins in that scenario. MM is a good guy, love to see him finish out on top. Is that a scenario that could play out? The Sabres loaned him to the Kings affiliate. If the Kings wanted him they'd essentially have to trade for him and take on the contract (or at least 50% of it if Buffalo agrees to eat some). Looking at the Kings on Cap Friendly it doesn't look like they can afford MM as is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkard Posted December 7, 2017 Report Share Posted December 7, 2017 I think this is correct, he's still Sabres property unless the Kings work some sort of trade. In theory Buffalo could recall him and the Kings pick him up on waivers, but I have to think the Kings would rather trade a 7th round pick for the Sabres taking 50% of the salary though. There are no re-entry waivers anymore. That ended with the current CBA. Waiver eligible players have to pass through waivers on their way down but once they clear there are no waivers on the way back up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPie Posted December 7, 2017 Report Share Posted December 7, 2017 There are no re-entry waivers anymore. That ended with the current CBA. Waiver eligible players have to pass through waivers on their way down but once they clear there are no waivers on the way back up. Whoops! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkard Posted December 7, 2017 Report Share Posted December 7, 2017 Whoops! No worries, man. I learned that from reading this board so I figured I should pass it along. I still think our best chance to get out from under Moulson's contract will be for him to retire after he gets his $1 million signing bonus on July 1, 2018. At that point he's only leaving $2 million of his $25 million contract on the table and it will save him a full year of riding busses and crappy charter flights in the AHL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted December 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2017 No team will take on his $5m/yr salary. BUF is stuck with that contract.. the only hope is he retires after this season, but I wouldn't bet on it.... Also, I find it interesting that Cody Hodgson's cap hit will go up to $800k/yr from 2019-2023. Seems like a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gramps Posted December 7, 2017 Report Share Posted December 7, 2017 No worries, man. I learned that from reading this board so I figured I should pass it along. I still think our best chance to get out from under Moulson's contract will be for him to retire after he gets his $1 million signing bonus on July 1, 2018. At that point he's only leaving $2 million of his $25 million contract on the table and it will save him a full year of riding busses and crappy charter flights in the AHL. Why would he do that if he's still in good shape and can make $5 mil playing in SoCal ? He'll only be 34 y.o. - extra $2 mil would go a long way if invested properly. And after next year, he could probably go play in Europe for $1m a season or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkard Posted December 7, 2017 Report Share Posted December 7, 2017 Why would he do that if he's still in good shape and can make $5 mil playing in SoCal ? He'll only be 34 y.o. - extra $2 mil would go a long way if invested properly. And after next year, he could probably go play in Europe for $1m a season or so. It's mostly wishful thinking on my end. He won't make $5 million regardless though, that's just his cap hit. He makes $3 million total next year if he plays all year. Or he can make $1 million to hang around until July 1st then retire afterwards. Personally I'd never walk away from $2 million but I've also never made tens of millions of dollars in my career like he has. Lots of pro athletes retire before their contracts expire though so it's not like him doing it would be unprecedented. And while the odds may be slim they've got to be infinitely higher than some NHL team actually trading for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gramps Posted December 7, 2017 Report Share Posted December 7, 2017 It's mostly wishful thinking on my end. He won't make $5 million regardless though, that's just his cap hit. He makes $3 million total next year if he plays all year. Or he can make $1 million to hang around until July 1st then retire afterwards. Personally I'd never walk away from $2 million but I've also never made tens of millions of dollars in my career like he has. Lots of pro athletes retire before their contracts expire though so it's not like him doing it would be unprecedented. And while the odds may be slim they've got to be infinitely higher than some NHL team actually trading for him. My bad on the salary ... I'd never walk away from $2m either if I was 34 and didn't know what my future held. Or he could take the $1mil as you say, retire, and possibly sign in the KHL/Europe for more than $2m and for a longer term. I'm guessing he plays out 2018-19 in the minors for the $3mil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted December 7, 2017 Report Share Posted December 7, 2017 You've been on a roll since taking a brief hiatus. It does old guys like us wonders, eh? Thanks. HIGHLY recommend walking away from here every now & then. :beer: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erickompositör72 Posted December 7, 2017 Report Share Posted December 7, 2017 and possibly sign in the KHL/Europe for more than $2m and for a longer term. If he takes the signing bonus, then retires, he'll have made roughly 37mil in his NHL career. Unless he's blown through everything and has a complete moron handling his money, I say relocating to another continent is not something a person in his situation considers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gramps Posted December 7, 2017 Report Share Posted December 7, 2017 If he takes the signing bonus, then retires, he'll have made roughly 37mil in his NHL career. Unless he's blown through everything and has a complete moron handling his money, I say relocating to another continent is not something a person in his situation considers. Perhaps not ... depends how much he wants to play hockey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted December 9, 2017 Report Share Posted December 9, 2017 From The Athletic. After a recent meeting between Matt Moulson and Jason Botterill, the Sabres general manager delivered some surprising news. Though it was neither shocking that the team had decided to waive Moulson — not after being a regular healthy scratch — nor that he cleared waivers, he wasn’t expecting to be packing up his things for a cross-country commute. Had he been assigned to the Sabres AHL franchise, the Rochester Americans, Moulson could have kept his family — wife Alicia; 5-year-old daughter, Mila; and 4-year-old son, George — in their Buffalo-area home and driven back and forth as needed. It’s roughly 74 miles. But the Sabres suggested a new start for Moulson. The team wanted its young prospects to get ample ice time in Rochester. According to Moulson, the organization didn't want him to feel “uncomfortable” that he wouldn't be getting much. So they decided he’d be better off with the Ontario Reign, the affiliate of the Los Angeles Kings Moulson wasn’t in on the decision and he wasn’t getting playing time in Rochester either Also he is feels he has a lot of hockey left, doubt he retires after this year. His family is moving to California and he will be a ten minute walk from the Quick’s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted December 9, 2017 Report Share Posted December 9, 2017 So a cold, calculated move from Botterill. It was the right call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted December 9, 2017 Report Share Posted December 9, 2017 From The Athletic. After a recent meeting between Matt Moulson and Jason Botterill, the Sabres general manager delivered some surprising news. Though it was neither shocking that the team had decided to waive Moulson — not after being a regular healthy scratch — nor that he cleared waivers, he wasn’t expecting to be packing up his things for a cross-country commute. Had he been assigned to the Sabres AHL franchise, the Rochester Americans, Moulson could have kept his family — wife Alicia; 5-year-old daughter, Mila; and 4-year-old son, George — in their Buffalo-area home and driven back and forth as needed. It’s roughly 74 miles. But the Sabres suggested a new start for Moulson. The team wanted its young prospects to get ample ice time in Rochester. According to Moulson, the organization didn't want him to feel “uncomfortable” that he wouldn't be getting much. So they decided he’d be better off with the Ontario Reign, the affiliate of the Los Angeles Kings Moulson wasn’t in on the decision and he wasn’t getting playing time in Rochester either Also he is feels he has a lot of hockey left, doubt he retires after this year. His family is moving to California and he will be a ten minute walk from the Quick’s Definitely cold and calculating yet simultaneously respectful and trying to be accommodating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted December 9, 2017 Report Share Posted December 9, 2017 Am I the only one that thinks it is bad form, to say the least, if the Sabres did not talk with Matt about being assigned to California? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erickompositör72 Posted December 9, 2017 Report Share Posted December 9, 2017 (edited) Am I the only one that thinks it is bad form, to say the least, if the Sabres did not talk with Matt about being assigned to California? I was initially of that mind, and then I realized- they're paying him more than 2x what any NHL team thinks he's worth. He's not earning his money as a hockey player, so they shouldn't feel bad about shipping him anywhere for the money they're paying him. You only control your own destiny when you produce what's expected of you, and I'm sure Matt gets that and accepts that. Edited December 9, 2017 by erickompositör72 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted December 9, 2017 Report Share Posted December 9, 2017 Am I the only one that thinks it is bad form, to say the least, if the Sabres did not talk with Matt about being assigned to California? I mean the alternative was sending him to Rochester to be a healthy scratch. Would that have been good form? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woods-racer Posted December 9, 2017 Report Share Posted December 9, 2017 Is that a scenario that could play out? The Sabres loaned him to the Kings affiliate. If the Kings wanted him they'd essentially have to trade for him and take on the contract (or at least 50% of it if Buffalo agrees to eat some). Looking at the Kings on Cap Friendly it doesn't look like they can afford MM as is. Chances are very slim, especially this year. But It could happen next year, with the Sabres eating Salary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTS Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 From The Athletic. After a recent meeting between Matt Moulson and Jason Botterill, the Sabres general manager delivered some surprising news. Though it was neither shocking that the team had decided to waive Moulson — not after being a regular healthy scratch — nor that he cleared waivers, he wasn’t expecting to be packing up his things for a cross-country commute. Had he been assigned to the Sabres AHL franchise, the Rochester Americans, Moulson could have kept his family — wife Alicia; 5-year-old daughter, Mila; and 4-year-old son, George — in their Buffalo-area home and driven back and forth as needed. It’s roughly 74 miles. But the Sabres suggested a new start for Moulson. The team wanted its young prospects to get ample ice time in Rochester. According to Moulson, the organization didn't want him to feel “uncomfortable” that he wouldn't be getting much. So they decided he’d be better off with the Ontario Reign, the affiliate of the Los Angeles Kings Moulson wasn’t in on the decision and he wasn’t getting playing time in Rochester either Also he is feels he has a lot of hockey left, doubt he retires after this year. His family is moving to California and he will be a ten minute walk from the Quick’s I wouldn't see Moulson driving back and forth from Rochester each day to be part of the Amerks. He'd need a place to stay in Rochester for game days, etc. There's a difference when you drive back and forth for a 9-10 hour workday. I think what Botterill did shows some real thinking and understanding of the player and the impact on the family. Moulson can feel he has a lot of hockey left but it doesn't appear to translate to it on the Sabres. It's possible a different team can use him in a way that makes him more productive, but it's unlikely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 @BillHoppeNHL In his first AHL appearances since April 11, 2009, Matt Moulson had three assists in two games with the Ontario Reign over the weekend. #Sabres Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 Interesting. I guess compared to the NHL, the AHL is a cakewalk for ol' Matty Mo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted December 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 (edited) @BillHoppeNHL In his first AHL appearances since April 11, 2009, Matt Moulson had three assists in two games with the Ontario Reign over the weekend. #Sabres "WOW! He obviously got the message.... Call him up!" - JBOTs probably Edited December 11, 2017 by paj två tusen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 He’s still a smart dude with good hands. The NHL game is just too fast for him now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 He’s still a smart dude with good hands. The NHL game is just too fast for him now. This is how I see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woods-racer Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 He might be a decent fit on a *heavy* team. Not sure if LA has changed directions on how they view what it takes to win, but if the old mold is still how they want to put a team together he may have a shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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