Thorny Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 exactly, its not a race issue, he has a reputation because of things he did in the past and that may follow him his entire career. What we know is just what leaks out or is reported, its possible that there's more to it or that it's all BS. But at this time, GMs are going to be hesitant taking a risk on him and giving up assetts if therea a chance that the move could disrupt the lockerroom As for the comparisons to the other Kane, one is considered and elite talent, the other just a good to really good player. You may be willing to put up with more because the talent level is elite then for someone who is good/really good. If Evander played as well as Patrick, there would be a higher demand even with the off ice issues (and his issues seem to be more off ice stuff then lockerroom/on ice issues). Evander has had some issues with both If anyone thinks race did not factor in to his experience in Winnipeg, I can tell you first hand, assuredly, that’s wrong. Please don't post his tweets if he's just making ###### up like that as he goes. Him and Glen Healy (tool) spent 5 minutes ripping him as a cancer on Sportsnet Radio last week. They are both clueless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erickompositör72 Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 Could also be a reason why others see him as smug. Please point to an occasion when EKane was smug. I seemed to miss that. Thank you. Coded language for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 Which teams? No teams mentioned...it was about 10 seconds...they did a quick rundown of the top 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkard Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 (edited) If it's one of the top three prospects league wide, sure, I'll do it. There are way more than 3 prospects in this league that hold more value than a late first round pick. I understand the sentiment of holding firm on a set price, but there are dozen of prospects that are worth more and (more importantly) will be ready to contribute sooner than some 17/18 year old kid that gets drafted 27th overall this June. Edited February 26, 2018 by Alkoholist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 Thank you. Coded language for sure. Yup. The word used to be "upity " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 Per GR Darren Dreger on TSN just said that a hold up on the #Sabres trading Evander Kane is the asking price. Teams are interested, but it's yet to be determined if anyone is offering a 1st round pick. Western teams are the ones more interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrico Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 Thanks Dreger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 If anyone thinks race did not factor in to his experience in Winnipeg, I can tell you first hand, assuredly, that’s wrong. Winnipeg is viewed as the most racist city in Canada and for good reason. While I believe you are correct it did impact Kane's experiences in the Peg and probably Atlanta before that, I do not recall any stories about Big Buf's experiences in that regard in either city. All that said, Winnipeg's racism tends to focus on the large indigenous population there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 (edited) But "there is a belief" makes it seem like it's a growing sentiment. If it's from a single source, it should be reported as such. I don't think the reporters are useless like Flagg does, but Shannon definitely screwed the pooch here. You’re right, but a belief can describe a single person ;) Edited February 26, 2018 by Brawndo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustache of God Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 I'm seeing a tweet saying "Lehner has made it known to management that he wants to be traded today" Gonna be real awkward when he finds out he's valueless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 If offering an opinion is trolling then what are you all doing? I definitely think Kane being black is a huge reason his transgressions linger while, as Sabel79 points out, the white Kane's foibles are quickly forgotten. Could also be a reason why others see him as smug. Please point to an occasion when EKane was smug. I seemed to miss that. I'm sorry, but do you not accuse pretty much everyone with a negative opinion of Kane of being racist? Because that's my recollection. And I say this as someone who has no problem calling out racist stuff when I see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 I'm seeing a tweet saying "Lehner has made it known to management that he wants to be traded today" Gonna be real awkward when he finds out he's valueless. All right, you gotta post those tweets or identify the twatter when you see them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 I'm seeing a tweet saying "Lehner has made it known to management that he wants to be traded today" Gonna be real awkward when he finds out he's valueless. Wawrow and Hamilton Tweeted to effect that they spoke with him in past 24 hours, and that it's totally false that he has requested a trade. On the contrary, he said to Hamilton that he wants to be here to help turn things around. :unsure: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallawaySabres Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 At this point, just take a 2nd rounder, a decent prospect and be done with it. Nash has way more value with another year on his deal so I don't expect anything near what NY got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 Wawrow and Hamilton Tweeted to effect that they spoke with him in past 24 hours, and that it's totally false that he has requested a trade. On the contrary, he said to Hamilton that he wants to be here to help turn things around. :unsure: He can drive the Zamboni. That turns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustache of God Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 All right, you gotta post those tweets or identify the twatter when you see them... Sorry, I'm reading the tweet on my phone, posting here from the computer....looks like it was deleted from the /r/hockey so it was probably fake. My bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 All right, you gotta post those tweets or identify the twatter when you see them... from this guy: https://twitter.com/MikeStrawMedia/status/968155102916866048 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTS Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 Similarly I saw a tweet saying that many Sabres fans had requested they be traded to another team's fan base. I'm not going to go back and dig that up. I believe it though. :w00t: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 I'm sorry, but do you not accuse pretty much everyone with a negative opinion of Kane of being racist? Because that's my recollection. And I say this as someone who has no problem calling out racist stuff when I see it. There's a difference between overt racism and coded responses to players of color. Pointing it out is valid criticism. And I'm not the only one who believes it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 (edited) from this guy: https://twitter.com/MikeStrawMedia/status/968155102916866048 Gotta say, I find Straw to be rather reliable for a guy who mostly writes about video games and WWE. I also think he participates here. Wonder what he heard and from whom. Edited February 26, 2018 by Eleven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 There's a difference between overt racism and coded responses to players of color. Pointing it out is valid criticism. And I'm not the only one who believes it. I believe there is coded language. But you're trigger happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 Oh, FFS. Kane had not one but TWO scrapes with the law relating to assaulting women. It's reasonably likely that he was innocent on both occasions, but also reasonably likely that he wasn't. We're in the middle of a national upheaval relating to sexual assault and harassment. Add to that (i) problems with teammates in Winnipeg, (ii) limitations in his game, (iii) zero playoff experience, (iv) injury history and (v) only getting him for 20-odd games plus playoffs before he's a UFA -- and that's why his value isn't where it might otherwise be. I also seem to recall Iginla and Seth Jones and PK Subban and Oduya garnering good returns in trade. These GMs are paid to win games and playoff series, and get canned when they don't -- not to propagate racism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 Gotta say, I find Straw to be rather reliable for a guy who mostly writes about video games and WWE. I also think he participates here. Wonder what he heard and from whom. No idea who he is, but I sympathize with his position (as a non-MSM reporter who's getting dogged for being a blogger). Fwiw - Lehner himself tells Hamilton "I don't want to be traded." Okay. But Straw doesn't say Lehner is his source. Says he has two sources. And Lehner may have reasons for wanting to deny that he made a request. Oh, FFS. Kane had not one but TWO scrapes with the law relating to assaulting women. It's reasonably likely that he was innocent on both occasions, but also reasonably likely that he wasn't. We're in the middle of a national upheaval relating to sexual assault and harassment. Add to that (i) problems with teammates in Winnipeg, (ii) limitations in his game, (iii) zero playoff experience, (iv) injury history and (v) only getting him for 20-odd games plus playoffs before he's a UFA -- and that's why his value isn't where it might otherwise be. I also seem to recall Iginla and Seth Jones and PK Subban and Oduya garnering good returns in trade. These GMs are paid to win games and playoff series, and get canned when they don't -- not to propagate racism. In theory, it's a fair criticism to claim that a GM's unacknowledged racism can cloud a clear assessment of who and what a player is. I'm just unconvinced that's what's going on here, for the reasons you've detailed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 Lehner telling reporters "I don't want to be traded" is like me telling TMZ "I don't want Scarlett Johanssen to come to my house in her underwear." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 So much for keeping politics out... Anyways, these TSN guys have been claiming for months that there's a surprise name out there. Wonder who that is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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