Hoss Posted January 3, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 Tampa is a good match on this type of deal. They're not in need of defense. Ennis could be attractive for them as he does what, I assume, they want Drouin to do... When healthy. His health could definitely hinder any deal. Question: would you trade Girgensons for Drouin straight up? I don't know if I would, just asking. I would give Ennis and a 2nd easily. Not giving them a first. Ennis and Foligno? Larsson and Foligno? That'd be a pure steal. I don't think it's enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted January 3, 2016 Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 You're talking zemgus, ennis/Larson and our 2016 2nd. I like drouin a lot but idk if I'm willing to drop zemgus, his 2 way play is great. Also drouin can't stay healthy this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted January 3, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 (edited) I'm stealing this from Joe Yerdon of NHL.com, but the comparable recent deals are Nino Niederreiter (traded three years after being picked 5th overall) and Kyle Turris (traded four and a half years after being drafted 3rd overall). Turris went to Ottawa for David Rundblad and a second. Niederreiter went to Minnesota for Cal Clutterbuck and a third. So this likely isn't going to be nearly as expensive as well think. I would say Ennis and a 2nd plus maybe another small piece. Edited January 3, 2016 by Hoss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robviously Posted January 3, 2016 Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 Why would Tampa want Ennis? He's smaller than Drouin and has a lower ceiling. He's never scored more than 21 goals in a season. And now he has injury problems. Most teams could put together a better offer. They'd ask for Girgensons or Pysyk (or both), and I'd pass on that. We don't have a ton of depth and, unfortunately, most of our best trade assets (that aren't untouchable) are already gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted January 3, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 Why would Tampa want Ennis? He's smaller than Drouin and has a lower ceiling. He's never scored more than 21 goals in a season. And now he has injury problems. Most teams could put together a better offer. They'd ask for Girgensons or Pysyk (or both), and I'd pass on that. We don't have a ton of depth and, unfortunately, most of our best trade assets (that aren't untouchable) are already gone. The last thing they need is another defenseman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robviously Posted January 3, 2016 Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 The last thing they need is another defenseman.In terms of good young players that we might realistically move (I.e. NOT Eichel, Reinhart, Risto, or ROR), those are basically the only two guys that might help them get good value for a guy like Drouin (even if they have to make another trade for it to make sense). I don't think we're a good trade partner for them. It never hurts to try but I doubt Tampa wants what we'd be ok giving up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Posted January 3, 2016 Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 Unsure. There's a touch of the Baertschi about him, and we all know how that worked out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted January 3, 2016 Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 I'm stealing this from Joe Yerdon of NHL.com, but the comparable recent deals are Nino Niederreiter (traded three years after being picked 5th overall) and Kyle Turris (traded four and a half years after being drafted 3rd overall). Turris went to Ottawa for David Rundblad and a second. Niederreiter went to Minnesota for Cal Clutterbuck and a third. So this likely isn't going to be nearly as expensive as well think. I would say Ennis and a 2nd plus maybe another small piece. Yup. Tampa doesn't have a ton of leverage here. The coach who hates him just signed an extension and now it's public he wants out, and he's done basically squat at the NHL level to this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted January 3, 2016 Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 Is it true Drouin's nickname is Xavier Laflamme? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted January 3, 2016 Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 I wonder if Larsson and a 2nd & a 3rd would work? Seeing as they are dealing from a untenable position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabres1970 Posted January 3, 2016 Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 I just don't know if Drouin would be a wise move for us. There's still a lot of uncertainty with this team. The core of young talent seems very promising, but we need to acknowledge that nothing is certain when you're the second youngest team in the league. We used up a great deal of our assets in the ROR, Lehner and Kane trades, and I'm not sure GMTM would want to wager even more of our remaining assets (2016 picks, Fasching, whomever) on further uncertainly with Drouin. I'd rather hold on to our remaining assets or trade for someone with maybe a lower ceiling but more consistency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robviously Posted January 3, 2016 Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 I wonder if Larsson and a 2nd & a 3rd would work? Seeing as they are dealing from a untenable position.Guys, it's not that untenable. They have 29 teams to talk to and most would be interested in Drouin. He was a 3rd overall pick two years ago and he's on his ELC. You'd just need a couple teams making serious offers to drive the price up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted January 3, 2016 Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 Guys, it's not that untenable. They have 29 teams to talk to and most would be interested in Drouin. He was a 3rd overall pick two years ago and he's on his ELC. You'd just need a couple teams making serious offers to drive the price up. Very true, but I'd guess most teams will low ball them for starters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted January 3, 2016 Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 Anyone think TM might be interested in the former #3 overall Pick from 2013, Drouin? His agent is asking for a trade after they assigned him to the minors again, he's been a disappointment so far and injured but he could be a possible buy low change of scenery move? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Crotch Posted January 3, 2016 Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 Is it true Drouin's nickname is Xavier Laflamme? :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted January 3, 2016 Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 Anyone think TM might be interested in the former #3 overall Pick from 2013, Drouin? His agent is asking for a trade after they assigned him to the minors again, he's been a disappointment so far and injured but he could be a possible buy low change of scenery move? Do you think mullets are cool? That's about as timely as your post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted January 3, 2016 Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 Do you think mullets are cool? That's about as timely as your post. #BetterthanwhatIwasgoingtorelpy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted January 4, 2016 Report Share Posted January 4, 2016 (edited) I watched Drouin play for 2+ years here in Halifax. He did have some injury issues while here, but when he is healthy and happy he is pure magic. I would give Tampa any roster player and / or prospect / pick we have ... except the top 6 players currently on the roster and the 2016 #1. Edited January 4, 2016 by Sabres Fan In NS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#freejame Posted January 4, 2016 Report Share Posted January 4, 2016 https://twitter.com/Classlicity/status/683721607848669184/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw Interesting chart based on Primary Points Per 60/TOI. Drouin really sticks out as being underutilized. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robviously Posted January 4, 2016 Report Share Posted January 4, 2016 Yeah but there's some track record of deals like this with Turris and Neiderreiter not to mention Baertschi who was #13 overall, demanded out of Calgary, and netted a low #2 in return. Given that our #2 will be a relatively high 2, that, and a half decent player/prospect might get it done. Given that Tampa doesn't have room to play Drouin they might prefer a prospect in the minors just to kick that can down the road a ways. Like I said, make the offer. It can't hurt. And teams routinely make goofy trades (I can think of a couple from draft day in 2015). If I'm Tampa, though, I wouldn't rush into a bad trade and I don't think I'd get what I'm looking for from Buffalo when I do pull the trigger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted January 4, 2016 Report Share Posted January 4, 2016 I watched Drouin play for 2+ years here in Halifax. He did have some injury issues while here, but when he is healthy and happy he is pure magic. I would give Tampa any roster player and / or prospect / pick we have ... except the top 6 players currently on the roster and the 2016 #1. Would be very intrigued at the idea of getting him. Doubt the Sabres have the juice to make a trade that makes sense for both teams until Ennis is healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted January 4, 2016 Report Share Posted January 4, 2016 (edited) Ennis, 2016 2nd/Larsson is about what I'd give for Drouin Edited January 4, 2016 by WildCard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted January 4, 2016 Report Share Posted January 4, 2016 (edited) "We acknowledge, via communication from his agent, Jonathan Drouin's request to be traded," Lightning general manager Steve Yzerman said in a statement. "Moving forward, my sole intention is to act in the best interest of the Tampa Bay Lightning hockey club. In the meantime, Jonathan has been assigned to our American Hockey League affiliate, the Syracuse Crunch, and we expect him to report for practice with the rest of his teammates this Tuesday morning." Take that! Apparently Stevie Y doesn't mess around. Edited January 4, 2016 by The Big Johnson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted January 4, 2016 Report Share Posted January 4, 2016 I'm stealing this from Joe Yerdon of NHL.com, but the comparable recent deals are Nino Niederreiter (traded three years after being picked 5th overall) and Kyle Turris (traded four and a half years after being drafted 3rd overall). Turris went to Ottawa for David Rundblad and a second. Niederreiter went to Minnesota for Cal Clutterbuck and a third. So this likely isn't going to be nearly as expensive as well think. I would say Ennis and a 2nd plus maybe another small piece. Sign me up for that, definitely. Drouin is having a bit of difficulty breaking in to the league. but his potential is sky high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted January 4, 2016 Report Share Posted January 4, 2016 Yup. Tampa doesn't have a ton of leverage here. The coach who hates him just signed an extension and now it's public he wants out, and he's done basically squat at the NHL level to this point. They have a ton of leverage, they have a deep and talented roster and drouin is being send back down because he can't fight his way into a roster spot. The kid is still on his ELC, Yzerman can do with him what he wants. We won't get him for Larsson and a 2nd that is for sure. Guys, it's not that untenable. They have 29 teams to talk to and most would be interested in Drouin. He was a 3rd overall pick two years ago and he's on his ELC. You'd just need a couple teams making serious offers to drive the price up. this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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