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Sabres Announce GM Jason Botterill has been Fired. Kevyn Adams Named GM


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2 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

Maybe Shmaybe, we can dream of "maybe's"  but the facts remain the Sabres front office has been lousy since The Pegula's have come on board.     

Good leaders have a vision, they know what they want, they know their people, they build organizations that breeds loyalty and commitment, were everyone is locked in.   This does not describe the Sabres under Kim Pegula. 

Poor leaders, like Kim Pegula, will consistently yield poor performance and high turnover.   Either Botterill is the right guy and they see thing that we fans don't or not.  Her credibility is ZERO.  No maybes about that.  

I will pray for more good luck. 

This is a bit harsh, considering that the 'vote of confidence' is a cliche is sports.  The owner says that the GM or coach has my complete confidence, and then fires them two weeks later.

There are reasons for this happening, most likely that the press asks the question before the owner is ready to answer it, but it's not exclusively a Pegula thing.

Anyway, if Adams turns out to be as competent as Beane, Kim Pegula will be considered one of the best GMs in the league, if he turns out to be Botterill jr, she'll be considered one of the worst.

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1 minute ago, mjd1001 said:

A lot of speculation here, but.....

Maybe Botts asked for his 'release'?  I think a common thought was that if the Sabres don't make the playoffs next year he was going to be gone for sure...and maybe he just thought he'd be too much of a lame duck...and asked out?

A 1st time GM that in 3 years had his team 31st, 25th, & 25th place would voluntarily leave a year early; presumably to increase his odds of getting another GM job somewhere else?  How does that make any sense?

If he stuck around and got some luck next year (including landing a true 2C & getting settled goaltending) he could still be a GM 2 years from now.  He's likely waiting another decade for this opportunity again, if he ever gets back into a GM's chair.

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Just now, Taro T said:

Remember though, the Bills model has an inexperienced HC & an inexperienced GM but both have a TON of experienced assistants.  There's at least 1 former GM working for Beane & at least 1 former HC working for McDermott.  The Sabres don't have anything close to that.  But if they did bring that kind of support in, I'd be a lot more encouraged.

I think this is something that will NEED to happen for me to feel good about this. I need to see experienced people around Adams.

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3 minutes ago, darksabre said:

This is basically what I'm seeing. They're really happy with the model and the ethos of the Bills right now, so why wouldn't they want that same model on the Sabres? The Bills are efficient and effective, the Sabres are a convoluted and useless mess.

What model?    We Sabres fans tend to look for any correlation to justify the stupidity of the Pegula's.   They got help from Polian and the NFL and they were fortunate to hire McDermott, which helped them to get Beane.  Beane and McDermott have transformed the Bills and deserve all the credit.  There is no management model that they followed, these hiring's are all isolated and random events. 

Since Botterill hired Krueger,  Botterill and RK should make more sense as following a model than than Krueger and Adams.  Krueger and Adams are leftovers from and organization that probably should be blown up.   Hopefully one of them can find us better players because better players will fix a lot of problems. 

 

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5 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

It will take more than a couple months probably. The regular league off-season won't happen until September probably. 

This is the key to remember. Player excitement isn't going to happen anytime soon. The bulk of the NHL still has some form of season robin/playoff to finish. Adams can wheel and deal with the other ousted teams, and he can start up with our RFAs and prepare for the draft. He does have 3 months to get all of the staff in place, etc., except of course, many teams aren't in the offseason yet, so getting people associated with other franchises might be slow/tricky.

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1 minute ago, Pimlach said:

What model?    We Sabres fans tend to look for any correlation to justify the stupidity of the Pegula's.   They got help from Polian and the NFL and they were fortunate to hire McDermott, which helped them to get Beane.  Beane and McDermott have transformed the Bills and deserve all the credit.  There is no management model that they followed, these hiring's are all isolated and random events. 

Since Botterill hired Krueger,  Botterill and RK should make more sense as following a model than than Krueger and Adams.  Krueger and Adams are leftovers from and organization that probably should be blown up.   Hopefully one of them can find us better players because better players will fix a lot of problems. 

 

lol what

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10 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Mike Gillis. 

He would be a very good addition to the front office.  It would improve the odds of Adams succeeding tremendously.  Any reason at all to expect it to be something he'd be willing to do?

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1 minute ago, Taro T said:

He would be a very good addition to the front office.  It would improve the odds of Adams succeeding tremendously.  Any reason at all to expect it to be something he'd be willing to do?

I have no reason to believe they will. I think Gillis is more of a tough personality to bring in (strong willed) and therefore will not be brought in. 

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25 minutes ago, shrader said:

That nickname is going to need some serious work.

it may look awkward, but, say it out loud ... it just flows. another good one from @PASabreFan - our resident chris berman, practically.

9 minutes ago, darksabre said:

I think this is something that will NEED to happen for me to feel good about this. I need to see experienced people around Adams.

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4 minutes ago, Mustache of God said:

On one hand I hate that they don't have the sense to hire a GM who has had previous GM experience, but a new GM would probably want their own coach and I like Krueger. Promoting Adams means Ralph isn't going anywhere. 

Yes -- I think this was a factor.  I think the Pegulas like RK and didn't want to have to can him after 1 year -- both because they like him and because it would contribute to their reputation as being trigger-happy.

 

2 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

What model?    We Sabres fans tend to look for any correlation to justify the stupidity of the Pegula's.   They got help from Polian and the NFL and they were fortunate to hire McDermott, which helped them to get Beane.  Beane and McDermott have transformed the Bills and deserve all the credit.  There is no management model that they followed, these hiring's are all isolated and random events. 

Since Botterill hired Krueger,  Botterill and RK should make more sense as following a model than than Krueger and Adams.  Krueger and Adams are leftovers from and organization that probably should be blown up.   Hopefully one of them can find us better players because better players will fix a lot of problems. 

 

I agree that McD and BB deserve the credit, but the Pegulas deserve credit for finding McD and trusting him to build the organization, including bringing in the guy he wanted as GM.

I think it's fair to surmise -- and highly likely -- that the Pegulas looked at their experience with McD, decided that they felt similarly about RK, decided that they wanted to keep RK and trust him with a senior and influential role in the organization, and decided that a less-experienced GM who was on the same page as RK would work with the Sabres, as it did with the Bills.  That is, more or less, a management model.

 

Just now, bob_sauve28 said:

I would be surprised at all if it was the blind Hutton news that angered the Pagulas. Playing hockey with a goalie that can’t see straight. Maybe not JBott fault, but looks terrible 

Yes -- I think this also played a role.  Yet another embarrassing revelation about JB's handpicked FA goalie, who has stunk.

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13 minutes ago, Taro T said:

A 1st time GM that in 3 years had his team 31st, 25th, & 25th place would voluntarily leave a year early; presumably to increase his odds of getting another GM job somewhere else?  How does that make any sense?

If he stuck around and got some luck next year (including landing a true 2C & getting settled goaltending) he could still be a GM 2 years from now.  He's likely waiting another decade for this opportunity again, if he ever gets back into a GM's chair.

I never said to get another GM job...he might know hes not getting one...but maybe there is an assistant GM job or some other job available he has heard about through friends and knows he will be gone from buffalo, so wants to take another 'lesser' job now while the getting is good. Or maybe he found out being a GM in a situation like Buffalo just isn't for him...he knows he will be gone soon and wants the time off (pressure on family, not liking the community, family issue/sickness).  Once again, I didn't say at all it was for another GM job, not sure where you are getting that from.

Just now, Trettioåtta said:

Adams is a WNY guy. I wonder if that factored into his involvement / choice

I hope not.  I mean, its great you have a local guy...but I'd want the decision on my gm to be 99.5% or more because you think he will be a good GM...less than 0.5% because he is local.

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6 minutes ago, jad1 said:

This is a bit harsh, considering that the 'vote of confidence' is a cliche is sports.  The owner says that the GM or coach has my complete confidence, and then fires them two weeks later.

There are reasons for this happening, most likely that the press asks the question before the owner is ready to answer it, but it's not exclusively a Pegula thing.

Anyway, if Adams turns out to be as competent as Beane, Kim Pegula will be considered one of the best GMs in the league, if he turns out to be Botterill jr, she'll be considered one of the worst.

She is not a GM at all.  She is the President and Owner. 

 

What you suggest just proves her inability to lead an organization.  If the press asks a question that you are not ready to answer then don't answer it. 

Like this:

Press:  Kim, are you going to stick with Botterill for his fourth year under contract.

A safe and smart Answer:   We are currently evaluating everything in an effort to get better and Jason is part of the evaluation

Kim's Answer (paraphrased):  We are staying with Botterril, we know that is not popular with fans, we have more insight than the fans.

 

My comments are not really harsh given the Pegula's track record.  The team has consistently gotten worse for 10 years.  I am under no illusion that Kevyn Adams is the next Brandon Beane. 

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1 hour ago, bob_sauve28 said:

 

 

 

1 hour ago, darksabre said:

Not to give the Pegulas much credit here but, frankly, I don't blame them for picking someone inside the org that they've known for a long time.

They've had plenty of "help" from the league, and advice from outside "experts", and look where it has gotten them? A bunch of schmuck GMs and coaches.


Buddy had a good take: Pegulas are searching for what is wrong with the franchise, checking out their options and comparing it to what they’ve seen work with the Bills. They ask Adams “you’ve been here for a while, what would you do differently.” They like the answer. They ask Ralph. They like the answer. They grill Botterill on same, they don’t like the answer.
 

I think people are glossing over the most important part of the release: Ralph and Kevyn will be working together to rebuild the hockey department.

We are going to see a Bills-style front office put together with Ralph playing McDermott and Adams playing Beane. Hopefully they build it out with the same quality of lieutenants in the right spots as we’ve seen with the Bills and it leads to the same kind of success.

 

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1 minute ago, jamiezzz said:

One has to think they bring in an experienced guy above Adams, Dudley anyone?

 

Ain’t happening.

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Just now, mjd1001 said:

I never said to get another GM job...he might know hes not getting one...but maybe there is an assistant GM job or some other job available he has heard about through friends and knows he will be gone from buffalo, so wants to take another 'lesser' job now while the getting is good. Or maybe he found out being a GM in a situation like Buffalo just isn't for him...he knows he will be gone soon and wants the time off (pressure on family, not liking the community, family issue/sickness).  Once again, I didn't say at all it was for another GM job, not sure where you are getting that from.

How would an AGM role that might be available now not be made available next year?  Teams aren't necessarily limited to a single AGM.

And, how does a guy that holds one of only 31/32 of a particular job in the entire world so lacking in self confidence that he "knows he'll be gone from buffalo [sic]" next year?

And, really can't see a situation where he simply doesn't like the job anymore has come to pass.  Per reports, he took a payout to keep the job just a few weeks ago.

Get thag you're just spitballin', but this being HIS decision makes absolutely no sense on any but the most esoteric of levels.

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12 minutes ago, darksabre said:

lol what

LOL   -- I am saying that the Pegula's  did not use a model to hire McD and Beane.  If you are suggesting that McD and Beane have "a model" on how they run the Bills I agree that they do have a plan and they have established a culture.

If you are suggesting that Kevyn Adams is more willing to adopt some notional "Bills Model" than Botterill is, well then maybe so.   Adams is going to say anything to get the GM job.  Which again leads me to wonder what is going on in Sabres Land. 

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