3putt Posted May 12, 2016 Report Share Posted May 12, 2016 What do we have, that we are willing to part with, that would warrant a top pairing lhd in return? I think GMTM takes bpa, Russian or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrico Posted May 12, 2016 Report Share Posted May 12, 2016 What do we have, that we are willing to part with, that would warrant a top pairing lhd in return? I think GMTM takes bpa, Russian or not. I agree but I think his idea of bpa pushes Russian players down the list. Who knows though? Watch him draft the Russian and then this narrative can be put to rest. But until that happens, I believe it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted May 12, 2016 Report Share Posted May 12, 2016 I agree but I think his idea of bpa pushes Russian players down the list. Who knows though? Watch him draft the Russian and then this narrative can be put to rest. But until that happens, I believe it. This is a good point. People often use the term "Best Player Available", but the thing is, what makes "best" is obviously subjective. Numerous things will be taken into account, depending on the person, including various priority levels as well. Things like position may even be taken into account as well depending on how term is being defined. BPA would only be straight forward if there was a singular objective ranking of available players, but of course there isn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted May 12, 2016 Report Share Posted May 12, 2016 Yep. I look at it as Murray would draft a Sergachev in the third round because there his talent is worth the "risk" but a less xenophobic team will have picked him earlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3putt Posted May 12, 2016 Report Share Posted May 12, 2016 I think the "risk", i.e. flight to the KHL, has been somewhat diminished by the struggles the league has had financially. An oil based economy is subject to booms and busts. The kids who have come to NA to make it.in the NHL are less risky in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted May 13, 2016 Report Share Posted May 13, 2016 "I definitely think Tyson Barrie is in play" - Friedman Never change Colorado, never change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted May 13, 2016 Report Share Posted May 13, 2016 Man, Sakic and Roy are morons who have crushed the future of the team with perhaps the brightest future immediately following the 2013 draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted May 13, 2016 Report Share Posted May 13, 2016 "I definitely think Tyson Barrie is in play" - Friedman Never change Colorado, never change Please be true please be true please be true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted May 14, 2016 Report Share Posted May 14, 2016 "I definitely think Tyson Barrie is in play" - Friedman Never change Colorado, never change What do we so with our abundance of rhd though? Even if Rado is willing to take our ones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted May 14, 2016 Report Share Posted May 14, 2016 "I definitely think Tyson Barrie is in play" - Friedman Never change Colorado, never change Man, Sakic and Roy are morons who have crushed the future of the team with perhaps the brightest future immediately following the 2013 draft. Please be true please be true please be true. The bolded is probably unfair, but it does invite some enjoyable speculation about what we could swindle them with for Barrie. Is Grigorenko plus Zadorov plus Compher comparable to Zemgus plus Pysyk plus Fasching? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted May 14, 2016 Report Share Posted May 14, 2016 So, if Tampa goes on to win the Cup WITHOUT Stamkos what can we extrapolate from that? Anything other than Tampa is really good??Or Stamkos ain't worth ::: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted May 14, 2016 Report Share Posted May 14, 2016 Does anyone here besides Pi think that Tyson Barrie is worth anything near ROR - contract, or trade price? Does anyone who is not a Colorado fan see trading away good young core pieces for speculation as a good way to build a contender? I am a firm believer in the Murray philosophy: pay quantity to get quality because it's always easier to acquire complementary players than core players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasmus_ Posted May 14, 2016 Report Share Posted May 14, 2016 (edited) Shrugs, Tyson Barrie (again a RHD) is a fine enough player, but he's not a legit number one defensemen and for a team to give up what it will take to get him, you're better off going after Shattenkirk. Draft Chychrun, Juolevi or Sergachev, sign Goligoski or Yandle and develop Guhle. Edited May 14, 2016 by TheCerebral1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted May 14, 2016 Report Share Posted May 14, 2016 Eh, I like Barrie but I'm not giving up the farm for him. Now if Landeskog is available... Also Roy and Sakic are awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasmus_ Posted May 14, 2016 Report Share Posted May 14, 2016 Eh, I like Barrie but I'm not giving up the farm for him. Now if Landeskog is available... Also Roy and Sakic are awful. Salivates, Landeskog....wow the two way ability! He'd be such a great fit here long term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted May 14, 2016 Report Share Posted May 14, 2016 Eh, I like Barrie but I'm not giving up the farm for him. Now if Landeskog is available... Also Roy and Sakic are awful. I love Landeskog, but if we fired our last big trade bullets on a forward I may snap. Does anyone here besides Pi think that Tyson Barrie is worth anything near ROR - contract, or trade price? Does anyone who is not a Colorado fan see trading away good young core pieces for speculation as a good way to build a contender? I am a firm believer in the Murray philosophy: pay quantity to get quality because it's always easier to acquire complementary players than core players. Near? Yes. Probably 1 less trade piece and a million less on the contract. Thinking along the lines of what Hamilton fetched. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norcal Posted May 14, 2016 Report Share Posted May 14, 2016 What do you guys put the odds at on Murray pulling off a blockbuster trade this offseason? I'm betting 100% he will make a blockbuster trade with 100% chance that it will involve someone or someones that will stir alot of emotions in this forum. Murray has said in the past not to fall in love with your own players, if he follows his own advice this could get very interesting next month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted May 14, 2016 Report Share Posted May 14, 2016 Man, Sakic and Roy are morons who have crushed the future of the team with perhaps the brightest future immediately following the 2013 draft. "I definitely think Tyson Barrie is in play" - Friedman Never change Colorado, never change Colorado has some interesting cap issues. They have $52mil in existing contracts with key RFAs in McKinnon, Grigorenko and Barrie. A total of 17 RFAs and 11 UFAs. If they throw coin at McKinnon and Barrie, they'll need an owner with deep pockets to fill out the rest of their roster/farm team. Erik Johnson is making $6mil, Beauchemin $4.5mil... Barrie probably wants term and likely more than what Johnson makes. That's a lot of cap eaten up by 3 defensemen when you need to sign a stud like McKinnon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted May 14, 2016 Report Share Posted May 14, 2016 "I definitely think Tyson Barrie is in play" - Friedman Never change Colorado, never change #8 overall, and Pysyk for Barrie? Does that get the trade done? Would people here make this trade? Seems like it may potentially not be enough, but it is Colorado. Say we are drafting a D with the pick. What are the odds that D or Pysyk becomes as good as Barrie? He fits our need for a puck moving D very well and is available to step in right away, while still being young. We would still need a LHD, but we need that anyway. I feel like Barrie would be a significant upgrade to our blue line. Sign Goligoski and it looks something like: Goligoski - Ristolainen McCabe - Barrie Gorges - Bogosian Looks good to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kas23 Posted May 14, 2016 Report Share Posted May 14, 2016 So, if Tampa goes on to win the Cup WITHOUT Stamkos what can we extrapolate from that? Anything other than Tampa is really good?? This is a very good point. Tells you the game's more about chemistry and teamwork than signing the biggest FA name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted May 15, 2016 Report Share Posted May 15, 2016 The bolded is probably unfair, but it does invite some enjoyable speculation about what we could swindle them with for Barrie. Is Grigorenko plus Zadorov plus Compher comparable to Zemgus plus Pysyk plus Fasching? That'd be over kill with our 2nd especially. Zemgus >> Grigo Pysyk < Zadorov Fasching > Compher 38th < 31st Plus Barrie is a RHD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted May 15, 2016 Report Share Posted May 15, 2016 Colorado has some interesting cap issues. They have $52mil in existing contracts with key RFAs in McKinnon, Grigorenko and Barrie. A total of 17 RFAs and 11 UFAs. If they throw coin at McKinnon and Barrie, they'll need an owner with deep pockets to fill out the rest of their roster/farm team. Erik Johnson is making $6mil, Beauchemin $4.5mil... Barrie probably wants term and likely more than what Johnson makes. That's a lot of cap eaten up by 3 defensemen when you need to sign a stud like McKinnon. Colorado has an internal cap, they couldn't keep RoR for that same reason. Barrie will want 7 - 8 mill and we already got Bogo at 5mill a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerme1 Posted May 15, 2016 Report Share Posted May 15, 2016 #8 overall, and Pysyk for Barrie? Does that get the trade done? Would people here make this trade? I would not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted May 15, 2016 Report Share Posted May 15, 2016 #8 overall, and Pysyk for Barrie? Does that get the trade done? Would people here make this trade? Seems like it may potentially not be enough, but it is Colorado. Say we are drafting a D with the pick. What are the odds that D or Pysyk becomes as good as Barrie? He fits our need for a puck moving D very well and is available to step in right away, while still being young. We would still need a LHD, but we need that anyway. I feel like Barrie would be a significant upgrade to our blue line. Sign Goligoski and it looks something like: Goligoski - Ristolainen McCabe - Barrie Gorges - Bogosian Looks good to me. Would rather make that trade for a LHD instead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted May 16, 2016 Report Share Posted May 16, 2016 FWIW, Chris Kreider and Nichushkin are RFA's this season. As for the latter, well it makes paying Goligoski that much harder. Also, Soupy is a UFA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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