Brawndo Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 Dennis Bernstein @DennisTFP 1m1 minute ago NHL scout on Sabres Myers "when he came in looked like future Norris winner. now he's a 3D. Don't know what happened maybe it's the losing" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 Dennis Bernstein @DennisTFP 1m1 minute ago NHL scout on Sabres Myers "when he came in looked like future Norris winner. now he's a 3D. Don't know what happened maybe it's the losing" Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny DangerFace Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 (edited) Yes No You really think Myers looks like a 3rd pairing? Edited October 26, 2014 by Numark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 No You really think Myers looks like a 3rd pairing? No a 3rd defenseman. Not top 2 on kings or black hawks. Might be 2nd D on a bunch of teams with weak D cores. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 No a 3rd defenseman. Not top 2 on kings or black hawks. Might be 2nd D on a bunch of teams with weak D cores. Yep. That's why I was wondering earlier in this thread how some of us justify holding onto him for an elite prospect. You need to have an elite or near elite player to expect to get an elite prospect back. He's a top 4 guy, but that's about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 Yep. That's why I was wondering earlier in this thread how some of us justify holding onto him for an elite prospect. You need to have an elite or near elite player to expect to get an elite prospect back. He's a top 4 guy, but that's about it. He's still growing. He is ahead of Chara at the same age. Well ahead, actually. Chara came into his own in his LAST season in Ottawa. Not even on Long Island. Think about that before you start wanting to trade Myers for a 2d round pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_sauve28 Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 He's still growing. He is ahead of Chara at the same age. Well ahead, actually. Chara came into his own in his LAST season in Ottawa. Not even on Long Island. Think about that before you start wanting to trade Myers for a 2d round pick. Oh God, and think how long that means for all our other young players! 7-8 years from now we have a good team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny DangerFace Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 No a 3rd defenseman. Not top 2 on kings or black hawks. Might be 2nd D on a bunch of teams with weak D cores. Gotcha, that's fair. 3rd pairing was not fair :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted October 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 He's still growing. He is ahead of Chara at the same age. Well ahead, actually. Chara came into his own in his LAST season in Ottawa. Not even on Long Island. Think about that before you start wanting to trade Myers for a 2d round pick. There's still no basis for this comparison outside of them both being skyscrapers. Chara had the physical edge before he found his overall game. Myers found his overall game but never had the edge and likely never will. Also: Chara may never have developed if he didn't get off the Island. I understand the arguments against trading Myers and I don't want it to happen unless we get the world in return, but this argument doesn't make sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted October 27, 2014 Report Share Posted October 27, 2014 Oh God, and think how long that means for all our other young players! 7-8 years from now we have a good team? Realistically the Sabres team should hit critical mass with talented incoming players in 2016 and most definitely 2017. By 2017 you could add Reinhart, Baptiste, Bailey, Compher, Fasching, Possler maybe. That is easily more talent than the current group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted October 27, 2014 Report Share Posted October 27, 2014 Bruins feel GMTM asking price for Stewart is too high. What do they expect it to be? http://www.csnne.com/boston-bruins/bruins-are-smart-reject-sabres-asking-price-stewart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTS Posted October 27, 2014 Report Share Posted October 27, 2014 It should be high. Murray doesn't have to do anything. Other teams want some of his players but he's going to have a crappy team no matter what. He's in control. It's not like Murray needs to make a move to keep his chance at a #1 draft slot. If Stewart were lighting it up then perhaps he'd be gone. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted October 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2014 On Stewart it shouldn't really be high in general, but it should be for division rivals. Stewart is terribly inconsistent. I would take a mid-level prospect and a bottom-six vet right now for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted October 27, 2014 Report Share Posted October 27, 2014 On Stewart it shouldn't really be high in general, but it should be for division rivals. Stewart is terribly inconsistent. I would take a mid-level prospect and a bottom-six vet right now for him. I think Stewart has a role on this team so long as it's not on the top two lines full time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted October 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2014 I think Stewart has a role on this team so long as it's not on the top two lines full time. Would need an extension first. I'm not confident that he wants that unless he gets a big deal, which I would be pissed if we gave him. He's not worth more than $4M a year. He'll get that and more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 Realistically the Sabres team should hit critical mass with talented incoming players in 2016 and most definitely 2017. By 2017 you could add Reinhart, Baptiste, Bailey, Compher, Fasching, Possler maybe. That is easily more talent than the current group. Also the reason i don't want Myers gone, worst case he is our #3 D with risto - mcabe holding #1-#2. If he is gone i want the likes of Mantha - nichuskin returning in that deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 (edited) If he is gone i want the likes of Mantha - nichuskin returning in that deal. It's just not happening unless the Sabres add something, and I don't mean a 7th round pick or Matt Ellis. Edited October 28, 2014 by LabattBlue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted October 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 It's just not happening unless the Sabres add something, and I don't mean a 7th round pick or Matt Ellis. Certainly. And I wouldn't even want to do Nichushkin-Myers straight up. I'm not confident that Nichushkin becomes much more than a 40-50 point guy at his peak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabresBillsFan Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 Certainly. And I wouldn't even want to do Nichushkin-Myers straight up. I'm not confident that Nichushkin becomes much more than a 40-50 point guy at his peak. That's exactly how I feel. Their is no need to move Myers unless Murray gets what he wants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 Ben Lovejoy a top four D Man in Anaheim is out 4 to 6 weeks with a hand injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 Certainly. And I wouldn't even want to do Nichushkin-Myers straight up. I'm not confident that Nichushkin becomes much more than a 40-50 point guy at his peak. Well, many thought the "big 3" forwards in 2013 were really a "big 4" with Nichushkin right there with MacKinnon, Barkov, and Drouin. I'd be willing to take a chance (full disclosure: I wanted Nichushkin over Risto in the draft, so I'm not exactly unbiased here). I'd also be willing to argue that a 40-50 point forward is as valuable as what Myers currently gives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted October 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/30-thoughts-leafs-carlyle-not-all-to-blame/ 11. Thought Boston and/or Philadelphia, both short defencemen, might look at Buffalo’s Andrej Meszaros. He’s on a one-year deal and has played in both cities, but it doesn’t sound as if either looked at it. He’s at $4.125 million, which may explain the problem for a pair of cap-tight clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robviously Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 Certainly. And I wouldn't even want to do Nichushkin-Myers straight up. I'm not confident that Nichushkin becomes much more than a 40-50 point guy at his peak. He had 34 points and was +20 as an 18 year old, roughly 5-6 years before he should hit his peak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 http://www.sportsnet...t-all-to-blame/ 11. Thought Boston and/or Philadelphia, both short defencemen, might look at Buffalo’s Andrej Meszaros. He’s on a one-year deal and has played in both cities, but it doesn’t sound as if either looked at it. He’s at $4.125 million, which may explain the problem for a pair of cap-tight clubs. That is no issue when we retain salary, but why would they want him, he hasn't shown anything yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksndmonster Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 He had 34 points and was +20 as an 18 year old, roughly 5-6 years before he should hit his peak. He was playing with Benn and Seguin, correct? I remember when Luker got a bunch of points in between Vanek and Pommer. I do agree with you that Nichushkin is the real deal, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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