Reinhart traded to Florida for G Devon Levi (7th rd pick in 2020) and a lottery protected 1st in 2022.

[Pimlach]

31 minutes ago, Eleven said:

What core?  Ullmark can babysit Cozens and Mittelstadt and Dahlin while we wait for them to become the core.

You just named them.  Dahlin, Cozens, and Mitts.  
 

Ullmark?  Is is signed yet? 

[PASabreFan]

1 hour ago, triumph_communes said:

Can we ban the topic of Reinhart once the news has finished disseminating 

If only. We have too many amateur scouts who are too in love with their player evaluation "skills." They'll always find a way to twist things. Reinhart didn't get much — they were right about him, but Adams got screwed. Risto got too much — they were still right about him, but Adams bent over the Philly GM. The opinions of the professionals, the crowd sourcing of people who've worked in hockey their whole lives mean nothing to them.

They're not going anywhere. Practice the eye rolls, grin and bear it.

[nucci]

32 minutes ago, Zamboni said:

So … IF FLA has Reinhart for one season… and Reinhart goes to UFA because he refuses to sign with FLA, then FLA gave up a decent goalie prospect and a 1st round draft pick for one season of Reinhart. That’s a big gamble for FLA.

Now, granted FLA could try flipping Reinhart for assets to mitigate the cost.  Key word … could. They may not. 

Nice rationalization. 

[nucci]

23 minutes ago, Cheektorado said:

With the "Big 3" all wanting out there is no other reasonable approach.  It's sad but it's the right thing to do.

maybe someone needs to find out why they wanted out?

[klos1963]

12 minutes ago, nfreeman said:

My question is whether he was prepared to sign long term this summer?  Or did he mean instead of the last couple of bridge deals?

 

I agree -- if he signs in the next few weeks with Florida, the return we got looks much worse.

 

Did he say that?

 

well, he did say he was open to a long term deal and the size of previous deals were too short.  Seems like a pretty good chance he would be here long term if we offered him a deal.

[nucci]

13 minutes ago, nfreeman said:

Did he say that?

 

The post said it sounds like.  

[Thorny]

26 minutes ago, dudacek said:

This thread just gets sadder and sadder.

It is a punch to the gut when he says he's been open to a long term deal 

[PASabreFan]

1 minute ago, Thorny said:

It is a punch to the gut when he says he's been open to a long term deal 

You need to get to the Levi thread. Put Sam behind you.

[LabattBlue]

A few thoughts... 

- This was the best offer for Sam?  

- What the heck were some of the other offers?

- I hope this goalie is a legit NHL prospect, and not another Danny O’Regan, etc...

- Adams got a better return for Risto than Reinhart?

- Bottom line, the core was rotten and needed to be rebuilt. 

[Eleven]

8 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

You just named them.  Dahlin, Cozens, and Mitts.  
 

Ullmark?  Is is signed yet? 

I misremembered that he was, because of the other thread.  I guess not!

[Thorny]

7 minutes ago, PASabreFan said:

If only. We have too many amateur scouts who are too in love with their player evaluation "skills." They'll always find a way to twist things. Reinhart didn't get much — they were right about him, but Adams got screwed. Risto got too much — they were still right about him, but Adams bent over the Philly GM. The opinions of the professionals, the crowd sourcing of people who've worked in hockey their whole lives mean nothing to them.

They're not going anywhere. Practice the eye rolls, grin and bear it.

It takes neither skill nor twisting to pull up Reinhart's hockey DB page. 

[PASabreFan]

2 minutes ago, Thorny said:

It is a punch to the gut when he says he's been open to a long term deal 

Obv. the Sabres weren't. What is it about these guys that a new regime wants them gone? I bet Kim knows. Seriously, she knows.

[Buffalonill]

1 minute ago, PASabreFan said:

Obv. the Sabres weren't. What is it about these guys that a new regime wants them gone? I bet Kim knows. Seriously, she knows.

I have Hard time believing that he wanted to stay

[thewookie1]

My theory is that we’d of given Reinhart a long term contract last year but COViD hit and made the Pegulas demand austerity thus only a 1 year contract

[Zamboni]

8 minutes ago, nucci said:

Nice rationalization. 

Huh?

Is any of that blatantly false? Note I did start off by typing IF.

[PASabreFan]

1 minute ago, Thorny said:

It takes neither skill nor twisting to pull up Reinhart's hockey DB page. 

That's the thing. That's not how professionals evaluate talent.

[Cheektorado]

5 minutes ago, nucci said:

maybe someone needs to find out why they wanted out?

1,371 games without a playoff start.  This problem has been a long term one like @Doohickiestated in his thread.

Time to do it the right way or sell the team to another city.

[Doohickie]

31 minutes ago, Cheektorado said:

With the "Big 3" all wanting out there is no other reasonable approach.  It's sad but it's the right thing to do.

It's what we should have done to begin with.  The first mistake was trading ROR.

[Thorny]

3 minutes ago, PASabreFan said:

Obv. the Sabres weren't. What is it about these guys that a new regime wants them gone? I bet Kim knows. Seriously, she knows.

Agree.

I'm fine with the whole line of thinking, agreeing with Adams' decision, speculating they needed to go - all of it. I mostly just don't want it to be framed in such a way that it's "Greedy and bad apple Reinhart and Eichel demand out because they don't have the gumption to stick it out, and poor Adams has no choice but to get the best he can in trades"

Adams wants to move these players. He's the impetus. If we all agree the results are on him and his regime, for better or worse, that's ya. that's a thing for me, don't know how to end this sentence so just gonna hit post now 

[PASabreFan]

Just now, Thorny said:

Agree.

I'm fine with the whole line of thinking, agreeing with Adams' decision, speculating they needed to go - all of it. I mostly just don't want it to be framed in such a way that it's "Greedy and bad apple Reinhart and Eichel demand out because they don't have the gumption to stick it out, and poor Adams has no choice but to get the best he can in trades"

Adams wants to move these players. He's the impetus. If we all agree the results are on him and his regime, for better or worse, that's ya. that's a thing for me, don't know how to end this sentence so just gonna hit post now 

...buyer.

[Eleven]

Here's where I am right now, after digesting this for a bit:

My problem isn't with the prospect.  It's pretty obvious that he's going to be a huge hit or a huge miss, and I like it.

My problem is only somewhat with the pick, because I don't like the lottery protection.  (The Sabres have been burned before, and waiting two years for a major part of the consideration is too long.)

My problem, really, is that it's a prospect and a pick.  A player and a pick?  I would have been fine.  A player and a prospect?  Also fine.  But this is just too little, even if Reinhart is just a rental for Florida.  

If this was the best he could do to date, Adams should have hung on.  This deal would have been available tomorrow or next month.  If Reinhart is telling the truth, Adams could have negotiated an extension with him; if Reinhart is not, Adams could have just accepted whatever an arbitrator set, or dealt with an offer sheet.

But he blinked--AGAIN.  He didn't learn his lesson from the Hall trade, I guess.

Edited July 24, 2021 by Eleven

[Thorny]

6 minutes ago, PASabreFan said:

That's the thing. That's not how professionals evaluate talent.

I'm fine with this, too. If you think his defenders inept I take no offence to that. It's your use of the word "twist" and "always" that triggered the response. You know the connotation there. No one has to trick anyone to point out Reinhart's considerable positives - the commonly accepted metrics, nothing fancy, paint a pretty clear picture of health and first line production. 

[DarthEbriate]

Just now, Thorny said:

Agree.

I'm fine with the whole line of thinking, agreeing with Adams' decision, speculating they needed to go - all of it. I mostly just don't want it to be framed in such a way that it's "Greedy and bad apple Reinhart and Eichel demand out because they don't have the gumption to stick it out, and poor Adams has no choice but to get the best he can in trades"

Adams wants to move these players. He's the impetus. If we all agree the results are on him and his regime, for better or worse, that's ya. that's a thing for me, don't know how to end this sentence so just gonna hit post now 

I call him the GM Sheevyn for a reason. For me, it's just an idiom. But he was hired in place of JBot to go Great Jedi Purge the personnel department on behest of leadership (including RaKru). Now, he's gotten rid of the Count RaKru and is continuing the Purge of the Jedi players of the Old Republic. It's his new Empire. Will it succeed? Maybe, maybe not.

The key now is to let him run with it for more time than any GM has had previously to work under the Pegulas. Because if they change him out in under 3 years, the next GM will do a reset for his/her style of players and coaches and philosophies. Sheevyn will have that shield down team win, we've just gotta give him more time!

[Radar]

2 hours ago, SABRES 0311 said:

Because all we got was a conditional pick and a 19 year old goalie.  

Okay. So your saying he didn't look at other offers. Read your post. You certainly implied that.

[SwampD]

I’m so ***** mad that I’m afraid of what I might type.

This trade sucks.