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20 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

I need to know what would a "savvy" executive would have done with Eichel by now? Take the first offer? Kowtow to Jack on surgery?

I concur; Vet you had me listening until then to which you put a stick in your wheel’s spokes and flipped your bike.

There is plenty to disagree with KA overall but he has been anything but rash or overly reactionary. There has to be a legitimate reason why the Sabres won’t ok the surgery that even we aren’t entirely privy too seeing as the NHLPA hasn’t made a peep about it. One example would be if it’s insurance related and that really wouldn’t be Eichel or the Sabres fault. The NHLPA can’t demand or attempt to force the surgery if the team can’t get insurance to cover the liability. 50 million is no chump change and seeing as the Sabres doctors disagree with the operation then you end up in at a stalemate. I don’t care if the Pegulas are rich, would you want to be left on the hook for 50 mil over 5 years because you had to inherit all the risk of a surgery your own doctors disapproved of.

I honestly feel insurance is the likely culprit; it hypothetically could create this type of impasse where even if Adams was more open to the operation nowadays that he’s tied up over insurance.

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40 minutes ago, Doohickie said:

I disagree.  Give a C out.  It just seems like an admission that the team (and no one on it) is "good enough" to be a captain.  Someone is.  That should become clear through training camp.

If they give a C out I would be ok with it.  I still don’t think we have a worthy candidate, other than Okposso or maybe Girgs. So I could live with three A’s. 

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1 hour ago, Buffalonill said:

Cozens gets into a fight  And is labeled a leader.

 

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Well he was in 2 fights.   He jumps in to aid teammates, something this team has lacked for a long time.  He has leadership potential for other reasons that should be apparent to you when you watch him play or hear him speak. 

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When people call for someone like Cozens to be captain I wonder how much serious thought they put into it.

He is a 19-year-old kid with less than 1/2 a year experience.

At your workplace, how inclined would you be to follow someone with that resume?

No, it's not exactly the same thing, but it is relevant.

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5 minutes ago, dudacek said:

When people call for someone like Cozens to be captain I wonder how much serious thought they put into it.

He is a 19-year-old kid with less than 1/2 a year experience.

At your workplace, how inclined would you be to follow someone with that resume?

No, it's not exactly the same thing, but it is relevant.

I see him as a future candidate for sure but I sure wouldn’t give him it this year.

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26 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

Well he was in 2 fights.   He jumps in to aid teammates, something this team has lacked for a long time.  He has leadership potential for other reasons that should be apparent to you when you watch him play or hear him speak. 

 

The guy didn't  even play 82 games but after 41 games we are going to crown him ? 

 Everyone always does this with our prospects I don't get it just let them play 3 years before we make the  "captain " label 

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4 minutes ago, thewookie1 said:

I see him as a future candidate for sure but I sure wouldn’t give him it this year.

Just like Girgensons ? Or Cody Hodgson and so on.

 When Jack is gone I don't want to see a captain on this team until someone get this team into the playoffs and becomes that person. 

 

Stop just giving the C away for fun 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Buffalonill said:

Just like Girgensons ? Or Cody Hodgson and so on.

 When Jack is gone I don't want to see a captain on this team until someone get this team into the playoffs and becomes that person. 

 

Stop just giving the C away for fun 

 

 

I agree but in some cases now the 'C' is reserved for the most talented or most productive player on the team. The 'C' aspect is what counts in the locker room, in practice, meetings etc. And in some cases that player might not ever wear the C.

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36 minutes ago, dudacek said:

When people call for someone like Cozens to be captain I wonder how much serious thought they put into it.

He is a 19-year-old kid with less than 1/2 a year experience.

He turned 20 in February.

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Following the departure of Red Wings captain Danny Gare during the 1985–86 season, Red Wings head coach Jacques Demers named Yzerman captain of the team on October 7, 1986, making him the youngest captain in the team's history. Demers said he "wanted a guy with the Red Wings crest tattooed on his chest". [He] continuously served for the next two decades (dressing as captain for over 1,300 games), retiring as the longest-serving captain of any team in North American major league sports history.

Yzerman was 21 at the time, several months older than Cozens is now. 

Admittedly, Yzerman had played many more games than Cozens at that point:  211 versus Cozens' 41 games.  In terms of where they are right now in their careers, Mittelstadt is is actually more comparable to Yzerman in terms of age and experience.

Not really advocating for either one as captain, but just putting this out there.

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2 hours ago, SabresVet said:

The Pegula's were desperate post-Rex and Whaley.  They had egg on their face in NFL circles being duped by those two who were fighting all season.  When it came time to find someone to replace them, McD was wise to demand control in personnel and front office stuff.  T/K Pegs gladly acquiesced.  But that was going on 5 years ago. 

There's been reports (by Paul Hamilton and someone I know) that the Pegula's are not enamored with having given McBeane the authority over the Bills despite recent results. 

Hiring Adams comes off as something that paranoid people would.  He wasn't on anyone's front office radar, but he checks the loyalty box which is apparently more crucial than actual experience.  Maybe Adams makes them feel good about his decisions, I don't know.  So far, the way he's handled the Eichel situation doesn't show a savvy executive.  Nor does the abbreviated HC search, which lends itself to the Pegula's having more control...which was probably their goal all along. 

The search landed exactly where it should have.

On a guy who can work with and develop young players. Someone who will coach them through mistakes and put them in position to overcome or correct them. 

A vet coach chewing up and spitting these guys out wouldn't move the needle forward IMO. 

 

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1 hour ago, thewookie1 said:

I concur; Vet you had me listening until then to which you put a stick in your wheel’s spokes and flipped your bike.

There is plenty to disagree with KA overall but he has been anything but rash or overly reactionary. There has to be a legitimate reason why the Sabres won’t ok the surgery that even we aren’t entirely privy too seeing as the NHLPA hasn’t made a peep about it. One example would be if it’s insurance related and that really wouldn’t be Eichel or the Sabres fault. The NHLPA can’t demand or attempt to force the surgery if the team can’t get insurance to cover the liability. 50 million is no chump change and seeing as the Sabres doctors disagree with the operation then you end up in at a stalemate. I don’t care if the Pegulas are rich, would you want to be left on the hook for 50 mil over 5 years because you had to inherit all the risk of a surgery your own doctors disapproved of.

I honestly feel insurance is the likely culprit; it hypothetically could create this type of impasse where even if Adams was more open to the operation nowadays that he’s tied up over insurance.

Insurance could very well be voided by a surgery that is considered experimental. So why doesn't Jack get the surgery on his own? Aside from the CBA, Jack likely needs the Sabres to pay for it too! So would you roll the dice for a player who doesn't even want to play for you? Does any team that would trade for Jack have the same issues? Adams is playing this correctly.

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1 hour ago, Ruff Around The Edges said:

Wait, Jack Eichel might be traded? I forgot at this point

Someone should start a thread on Eichel rumors so that we don't mix it up with this other stuff.  😏

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3 hours ago, SabresVet said:

The Pegula's were desperate post-Rex and Whaley.  They had egg on their face in NFL circles being duped by those two who were fighting all season.  When it came time to find someone to replace them, McD was wise to demand control in personnel and front office stuff.  T/K Pegs gladly acquiesced.  But that was going on 5 years ago. 

There's been reports (by Paul Hamilton and someone I know) that the Pegula's are not enamored with having given McBeane the authority over the Bills despite recent results

Hiring Adams comes off as something that paranoid people would.  He wasn't on anyone's front office radar, but he checks the loyalty box which is apparently more crucial than actual experience.  Maybe Adams makes them feel good about his decisions, I don't know.  So far, the way he's handled the Eichel situation doesn't show a savvy executive.  Nor does the abbreviated HC search, which lends itself to the Pegula's having more control...which was probably their goal all along. 

Obviously the Pegulas were so troubled by Beane's authority they gave him a raise and extended his contract.

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3 hours ago, Buffalonill said:

 

The guy didn't  even play 82 games but after 41 games we are going to crown him ? 

 Everyone always does this with our prospects I don't get it just let them play 3 years before we make the  "captain " label 

That is what I said.  He does not need to be captain yet.  Then I said he shows leadership abilities.  Two different things 

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There are a lot of people on this board, who missed the transition of what a Captain is over the years. 

In the past, the Captain was the team leader, whom had specific traits. In the modern NHL, the team Captain is the highest paid player/biggest star/biggest future star. 

I am not saying that I agree with it, but that’s what it has become. 

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40 minutes ago, Andrew Amerk said:

There are a lot of people on this board, who missed the transition of what a Captain is over the years. 

In the past, the Captain was the team leader, whom had specific traits. In the modern NHL, the team Captain is the highest paid player/biggest star/biggest future star. 

I am not saying that I agree with it, but that’s what it has become. 

Save the C for March and pin it on Power. He was 1st overall, gonna be a superstar, right?

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1 hour ago, Brawndo said:

The Sabres last game was May 8th and Granato wasn’t officially named HC until June 29th. 
Multiple college, AHL, former HCs were interviewed, so I’m not sure as would characterize that as an abbreviated process. Granato had three interviews for the job, the First with Adams, the Second with the Pegulas and the Third with the Sabres Hockey Management Staff. 
 

Since March, the Adams has re organized the front office, hired Karmanos as Associate GM and hired one of the arguably the Top Three Analytics Minds in the NHL in Sam Ventura who has set upon the path to dramatically increase the size of analytics department. 
If Terry wants His Organization to be Effective, Economic and Efficient this is the way to go about it, and I do not believe the Pegulas came up with this idea themselves as twice Adams flew to Boca to talk about the merits of an expanded department. 

I believe the Pegulas are taking a step back and allowing the Sabres Management Team to run things or else Ventura and Karmanos wouldn’t have come to Buffalo 

 

I'm skeptical of the Pegula's and their methodology after these past few years making bad executive level hires.  In essence, they need to luck out because they've lost complete trust in outside the organization hires.  Yet, it was their inability to hire a GM that has them there in the first place.  

The front office has been built after a major purge took place, notably with the AGM and now addition of the analytics people.  That's standard operating procedure, but it was something this franchise held off on for quite some time.  

Maybe this all works out and in 2022-23 they're a playoff team.  It's a push to believe an inexperienced GM with a first time HC operating under this ownership can take a young team with a low budget to succeed.  And, as this thread reflects, without their best forward in a difficult division.  

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