WildCard Posted October 6, 2016 Report Share Posted October 6, 2016 (edited) I also think you misunderstand or over value the effect of a captain. He is not an assistant coach. Our own captain was demoted to the third line. The captain will have much less influence on success than a league leading scorer. And True there were two parts to his assertion, one of which was Jack wasn't as good as Ryan is now. Ryan was not a Selke finalist last year. I would remind you both that Imwas critical of Jack in the WCOH that in part lead to ###### storm. He has flaws, but he is growing and getting better. WC you see float I see indecision. As his experience grows the instinct will take over. He may never be a Selke finalist but he could be scoring leader. I'll take that. In no way am I bashing ROR I am of the belief that Jack has the charisma and work ethic to be a leader on this team and maybe even the captain. I wouldn't put it out of the realm of possibility that Samson wears the C either. Captains have a ton of influence on success. Gionta was named captain because he is a vet and plays the game the right way, not because he's the best player on your team. Nobody is saying your leading scorer with have more of an affect, but that doesnt mean they should be the same thing Jack is nowhere near as good as ROR right now I'll keep drumming the float beat if I have to. But if two HCs see the same as I do, maybe I'm not wrong. When he moves his feet he's an entirely different player. He goes from elite to generational. If I'm in that locker room, I listen to the vet who is better and works harder every day rather than the kid who is the face of the franchise If this was 3 years down the road, I'd argue for Jack. But right now, it had to be ROR IMO Edited October 6, 2016 by WildCard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3putt Posted October 6, 2016 Report Share Posted October 6, 2016 We will see won't we. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted October 6, 2016 Report Share Posted October 6, 2016 Besides, we know somebody from a bad team isn't going to get any real major award consideration regardless of merit (...not that I'm about to argue those three aren't better players). (If ROR was on Chicago and Toews on Buffalo people would see ROR as a better player) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted October 6, 2016 Report Share Posted October 6, 2016 I also think you misunderstand or over value the effect of a captain. He is not an assistant coach. Our own captain was demoted to the third line. The captain will have much less influence on success than a league leading scorer. And True there were two parts to his assertion, one of which was Jack wasn't as good as Ryan is now. Ryan was not a Selke finalist last year. I would remind you both that Imwas critical of Jack in the WCOH that in part lead to ###### storm. He has flaws, but he is growing and getting better. WC you see float I see indecision. As his experience grows the instinct will take over. He may never be a Selke finalist but he could be scoring leader. I'll take that. In no way am I bashing ROR I am of the belief that Jack has the charisma and work ethic to be a leader on this team and maybe even the captain. I wouldn't put it out of the realm of possibility that Samson wears the C either. I certainly do not--I think it's 99% manufactured conversation for people like us :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted October 6, 2016 Report Share Posted October 6, 2016 (edited) We will see won't we.I mean honesty there is no way of telling who's right :lol: As far as Jack > ROR goes. I maintain my overall theme though Edited October 6, 2016 by WildCard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3putt Posted October 6, 2016 Report Share Posted October 6, 2016 (If ROR was on Chicago and Toews on Buffalo people would see ROR as a better player) Only if Chicago had the same level of success with ROR. Toews gets accolades based on team success and if Buffalo starts winning so will ROR and others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted October 6, 2016 Report Share Posted October 6, 2016 Only if Chicago had the same level of success with ROR. Toews gets accolades based on team success and if Buffalo starts winning so will ROR and others. Yeah, my argument is that they would have had that. ROR is a beast, like Toews, and I don't think there's a meaningful difference between them other than the organization(s) they play for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3putt Posted October 6, 2016 Report Share Posted October 6, 2016 Well I think we worked out the rust and are ready for the season, at least I am. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted October 6, 2016 Report Share Posted October 6, 2016 I just have trouble seeing most teams uniting behind 19-year-old. Kid has got to be special, or the really is no other choice. McDavid was named captain at 19 because there really wasn't another choice. I get the Eichel argument. I'm even OK with that move. ROR is just such an obvious choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyldnwoody44 Posted October 6, 2016 Report Share Posted October 6, 2016 So, Samson... the brains Foligno.... The looks Des....the muscle The WildCard??..... Lehner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted October 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2016 I just have trouble seeing most teams uniting behind 19-year-old. Kid has got to be special, or the really is no other choice. McDavid was named captain at 19 because there really wasn't another choice. I get the Eichel argument. I'm even OK with that move. ROR is just such an obvious choice. Kid has got to be special or no other choice, sure. McDavid and Eichel are special. They're not on Crosby's level yet (McDavid might get there), but Crosby was special. Landeskog was special. We've got special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted October 6, 2016 Report Share Posted October 6, 2016 (edited) Kid has got to be special or no other choice, sure. McDavid and Eichel are special. They're not on Crosby's level yet (McDavid might get there), but Crosby was special. Landeskog was special. We've got special. Sure did. Edited October 6, 2016 by We've Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted October 6, 2016 Report Share Posted October 6, 2016 Sure did. and we are proud of you We've Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winston Posted October 6, 2016 Report Share Posted October 6, 2016 You guys are missing the main point here... When the Sabres win it all, who do you want to be the first guy to raise that cup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted October 6, 2016 Report Share Posted October 6, 2016 You guys are missing the main point here... When the Sabres win it all, who do you want to be the first guy to raise that cup? Brian Gionta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted October 6, 2016 Report Share Posted October 6, 2016 You guys are missing the main point here... When the Sabres win it all, who do you want to be the first guy to raise that cup? Depends on the timing. My heart says Gionta, but my brain is thinking ROR. I do believe that ROR will be the next captain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted October 6, 2016 Report Share Posted October 6, 2016 You guys are missing the main point here... When the Sabres win it all, who do you want to be the first guy to raise that cup? Russ Brandon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted October 6, 2016 Report Share Posted October 6, 2016 Russ Brandon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted October 6, 2016 Report Share Posted October 6, 2016 To me, the captain should be voted on by the players. I expect this is Gionta's last year wearing the C. If that is the case, I would expect the players to choose O'Reilly to wear the C. I'd also expect Eichel to get an A but could see Okposo having a very outside chance of getting that A. I'd also expect Ristolainen to get the D's A but could see that ending up elsewhere as well. Gorges might keep his or maybe Bogosian or Kulikov get it (far less likely). O'Reilly is the 1 player I am positive will be wearing a letter next October if it's up to the players. Therefore, I'd expect the letter to be a C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dEnnis the Menace Posted October 6, 2016 Report Share Posted October 6, 2016 Russ Brandon :w00t: :w00t: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsb Posted October 6, 2016 Report Share Posted October 6, 2016 You guys are missing the main point here... When the Sabres win it all, who do you want to be the first guy to raise that cup? Willie Wonka I'm 63 and my hometown teams have NEVER won a Super Bowl or a Stanley Cup. Chances are my guess is as close as anyone's as to who will hold up the Cup first. Yes I feel cheated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerme1 Posted October 6, 2016 Report Share Posted October 6, 2016 Instantly one of my faves! Exposes real sentiment. To me, the captain should be voted on by the players. I expect this is Gionta's last year wearing the C. If that is the case, I would expect the players to choose O'Reilly to wear the C This whole discussion is a year away because you are correct that Gio has it for this season. No matter who it is we'll be in good shape. The downside to ROR for me is he's not vocal enough. I don't see Eichel having that issue at all. He's a natural for the role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTS Posted October 6, 2016 Report Share Posted October 6, 2016 Whether a player is 19, 29, or 39 there is no age aspect to who they will follow. If a 19 year old player walks into the locker room and can act like a captain he will command respect without asking for it. His work ethic and his personality are going to show. If you have more than 1 player who falls into that mold then I would suspect the younger player would defer to the veteran and if the franchise decides that having the younger player as the C is better for marketing I suspect that both the younger and older player will understand the business aspects of that decision and the letter on the sweater will only matter for ceremonial puck drops and trophy presentations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 6, 2016 Report Share Posted October 6, 2016 One of the best gifs ever. I will soon be plastering this all over the net (as if it hasn't been already). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted October 7, 2016 Report Share Posted October 7, 2016 Armia is getting a big chance to shine tonight playing with Little and Laine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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