Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 I'm not not saying that coaching doesn't matter but I am against saying that he's no good and just listing who played for him. Maybe he does suck but I need more info. Lee ruined Fitzpatrick. Fitz didn't have the best of mechanics....but neither did Favre. Lee pounded an academic set of throwing into Fitz's head. The coaching forced Fitz to think instead of do. I knew it was over when Fitz triple pumped to a wide open Chandler on an 8 yard route, bootleg right. A 10 year old could have made that pass blindfolded, and Fitz would have done it the previous year....but he had been so overcoached he lost his way. I'm surprised Rex would have a guy like that on his staff. Maybe he can be more efficient with a "dumb" quarterback, but you have to know what you have, and he F'd Fitz but good.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Do you have a red phone in your office that starts blinking and squawking? Jesus - is that what that thing is for? You, sir, are depraved! I couldn't help myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Lee ruined Fitzpatrick. Fitz didn't have the best of mechanics....but neither did Favre. Lee pounded an academic set of throwing into Fitz's head. The coaching forced Fitz to think instead of do. I knew it was over when Fitz triple pumped to a wide open Chandler on an 8 yard route, bootleg right. A 10 year old could have made that pass blindfolded, and Fitz would have done it the previous year....but he had been so overcoached he lost his way. I'm surprised Rex would have a guy like that on his staff. Maybe he can be more efficient with a "dumb" quarterback, but you have to know what you have, and he F'd Fitz but good.... So it's Lee's fault Fitz sucked years after his release from Buffalo and got benched for the sterling duo of Jake Locker and Ryan Mallett? Sorry man, Fitz was bad well before Lee came around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 So it's Lee's fault Fitz sucked years after his release from Buffalo and got benched for the sterling duo of Jake Locker and Ryan Mallett? Sorry man, Fitz was bad well before Lee came around. Lee didn't really help though. But I guess he had to try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 So it's Lee's fault Fitz sucked years after his release from Buffalo and got benched for the sterling duo of Jake Locker and Ryan Mallett? Sorry man, Fitz was bad well before Lee came around. Fitz finished the season 9th in passer rating. He was near that in most categories prior to his season-ending injury, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Lee didn't really help though. But I guess he had to try. How many QBs in their late 20s/early30s really improve mechanics? I feel like once you've been in the NFL for a handful of years, you are who you are in terms of throwing. The only QB I can think of off the top of my head to successfully change their mechanics with coaching help is Rodgers, and in my view that was only successful because he had three years on the bench to go through the process. Fitz finished the season 9th in passer rating. He was near that in most categories prior to his season-ending injury, too. He was significantly outperforming his career numbers. If you want to believe that was something other than an aberration, fine, but I'm not buying it. More on topic, his numbers before/after David Lee came around in Buffalo were identical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Hmm. Did you link to the wrong article? They edited out the part about the meddling owner being very active in the interview process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 David Lee may be good for Jochen Hecht David Lee is not good for Matt Barnaby David Lee may be good for Risto David Lee is not good for Nikita I saw with my own eyes, Fitz, triple pump to a wide open Scott Chandler on a bootleg, and then throw it 5 yards short at his feet on an 8 yard route in the 1st quarter of a September home game during Lee's 1st year with him........ EJ is already f'd up in the head. He's played not to take a big hit since that Cleveland game. I can't see the Bills going with EJ. Maybe Bradford and Lee would work....... I'm actually going to go to Wegmans soon and just added some Jimmy Dean sausages to my list thanks to Aud.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksndmonster Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 I'm with Ghost on the Lee/Fitz thing. Not that Fitz was ever good before Lee, but he was certainly better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 I'm actually going to go to Wegmans soon and just added some Jimmy Dean sausages to my list thanks to Aud.... those fingers are haunting me. I'm actually going to go to Wegmans soon and just added some Jimmy Dean sausages to my list thanks to Aud.... those fingers are haunting me. (sorry for the dupe postings. my interface with the site has been gummy and wonky since the attack(s).) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 I'm with Ghost on the Lee/Fitz thing. Not that Fitz was ever good before Lee, but he was certainly better. http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/8664/ryan-fitzpatrick If you didn't know when Lee was hired, would you be able to tell? His Bills seasons are statistically indiscernible from one another. Focusing on one play or a couple plays is sort of like me saying "Did you see Manning's rainbow to Julius Thomas yesterday? He was fine!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 I'm in hook line & sinker Me too. "New York Jets owner Woody Johnson, a Magoo-ish rich eccentric out of central casting who wears a goofy green tie to Sunday games and looks like he might play with toy trucks on all the days in between..." bAHAHAHAHAHAH This one was my favorite: He spent a lot of his first offseason talking trash about upcoming opponents, famously offering to fight Dolphins linebacker Channing Crowder (“I’ve walked over tougher guys going to a fight than Channing Crowder”) and even more famously announcing that “I didn’t come here to kiss Bill Belichick’s, you know, rings.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 http://espn.go.com/n...yan-fitzpatrick If you didn't know when Lee was hired, would you be able to tell? His Bills seasons are statistically indiscernible from one another. Focusing on one play or a couple plays is sort of like me saying "Did you see Manning's rainbow to Julius Thomas yesterday? He was fine!" Yes...that is the point. Fitz went 30 years off of feel, and that entire preseason and early on, he went on instruction. It was easy to tell he was f'ing himself up in the head. Lee was probably the biggest reason Gailey/Nix/Fitz got sh!tcanned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksndmonster Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 http://espn.go.com/n...yan-fitzpatrick If you didn't know when Lee was hired, would you be able to tell? His Bills seasons are statistically indiscernible from one another. Focusing on one play or a couple plays is sort of like me saying "Did you see Manning's rainbow to Julius Thomas yesterday? He was fine!" I just remember thinking it while watching that season. I looooooved me some Ryan Fitz, too. He and I are soul brothers with the same birthday. For the record, I like the idea of Fats as our coach, and it's a shame that he's not as Fats anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 (edited) Nice Article about Roman from SF Press http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2015/01/12/greg-roman-goes-buffalo-ending-term-egregiously-scapegoated-49ers-assistant-years/ Edited January 12, 2015 by BRAWNDO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biodork Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 This is a great article about Rex: http://grantland.com...exs-last-stand/ I don't know why, but in my mind I'm hearing all Ryan's quotes from that article in Ron White's voice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 John Fox out as Broncos HC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 I'm with Ghost. A pretty stunning Pegula hire. My money was on Frank Reich. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 John Fox out as Broncos HC The right move. Now go out and get Mike Shanahan or Tony Dungy (yes, the ladder is extremely unlikely but worth wondering). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 If you get Dungy, you might, might get Manning back. Otherwise I think he's gone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 If you get Dungy, you might, might get Manning back. Otherwise I think he's gone With the injury news I think he's got one more year for sure. Shows why he faded. Dungy would likely be a one-year marriage to make one run with Manning. Never seen it but I wouldn't doubt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 I think the injury news would be the opposite of an indication that he comes back. He's only going to get hurt more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 The right move. Now go out and get Mike Shanahan or Tony Dungy (yes, the ladder is extremely unlikely but worth wondering). Why is the ladder so unlikely? Would a staircase be more likely? Perhaps an elevator? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKnowPhysics Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 I don't know why, but in my mind I'm hearing all Ryan's quotes from that article in Ron White's voice. I know why. Rex 'Tater Salad' Ryan? Rex 'Tater Salad' Ryan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biodork Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 (edited) I know why. Rex 'Tater Salad' Ryan? Rex 'Tater Salad' Ryan. Ha! There is some resemblance, but something about the GD snack line that I can just hear Ron White saying. I think it reminds me of this bit: Edited January 12, 2015 by biodork Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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