musichunch Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 (edited) PFF QB grading is kind of a mess, sure. But what does that have to do with FO team/unit ranking? Did I miss something? I used to be a big FO guy. Then I realized that they had access to the same information we did. Meaning no All-22. I just don't believe any truly meaningful observational analysis can be done with the TV camera view, even with lineman. Since All-22 came available I'm not sure if they've changed their methods, but I still doubt them. Edited October 21, 2015 by musichunch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPie Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 I used to be a big FO guy. Then I realized that they had access to the same information we did. Meaning no All-22. I just don't believe any truly meaningful observational analysis can be done with the TV camera view, even with lineman. Since All-22 came available I'm not sure if they've changed their methods, but I still doubt them. I think that's referred to as "Video Scouting". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 I used to be a big FO guy. Then I realized that they had access to the same information we did. Meaning no All-22. I just don't believe any truly meaningful observational analysis can be done with the TV camera view, even with lineman. Since All-22 came available I'm not sure if they've changed their methods, but I still doubt them. DVOA isn't based on video analysis though, it's an event-based metric with data pulled from the NFL's digital play-by-play system. So I really have no idea why you think All-22 versus TV cameras is even relevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musichunch Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 DVOA isn't based on video analysis though, it's an event-based metric with data pulled from the NFL's digital play-by-play system. So I really have no idea why you think All-22 versus TV cameras is even relevant. TBH, in that case, I respect it even less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 TBH, in that case, I respect it even less. So you used to be a big FO fan without any notion of what they were actually doing, then lost respect for it when something became publicly available that had nothing to do with their stuff, and now that you were told what it actually is you respect it even less? Nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted October 22, 2015 Report Share Posted October 22, 2015 EJ starts on Sunday and Vic Carucci is reporting the reason Percy is not in London is he is considering retirement because of his hip injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted October 22, 2015 Report Share Posted October 22, 2015 (edited) So this team is missing a starting quarterback, three of its top four receivers, and several starting Williamses, and I'm thinking of sleeping in on Sunday. Edited October 22, 2015 by eleven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted October 22, 2015 Report Share Posted October 22, 2015 This season is basically over, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted October 22, 2015 Report Share Posted October 22, 2015 So this team is missing a starting quarterback, three of its top four receivers, and several starting Williamses, and I'm thinking of sleeping in on Sunday. If I was allowed to sleep in, I would, but, alas, I will have to watch this one. On a positive note, I love bloody marys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude_Verret Posted October 22, 2015 Report Share Posted October 22, 2015 This season is basically over, right? 16 and counting... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted October 22, 2015 Report Share Posted October 22, 2015 This season is basically over, right? Nah, the Jags are perfectly beatable and then we have a bye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted October 22, 2015 Report Share Posted October 22, 2015 Nah, the Jags are perfectly beatable and then we have a bye. Is that going to be enough? I'm starting to feel like we're the Black Knight in Monty Python. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted October 22, 2015 Report Share Posted October 22, 2015 Is that going to be enough? I'm starting to feel like we're the Black Knight in Monty Python. Maybe? I mean, the AFC is pretty terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted October 22, 2015 Report Share Posted October 22, 2015 So who are the wideouts now, with Goodwin and presumably Harvin gone for the season, and Watkins probably out? Eeeeeeeeeeesssssshhh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted October 22, 2015 Report Share Posted October 22, 2015 (edited) My Top 5 reasons why the Bills are just 3-3 1. Inconsistent offense leaves defense out there all game 2. Boneheaded Penalties 3. No, zero, zip, nada credible pass rush 4. Injuries to McCoy, Williamson, glass man and Harvin 5. Really poor O-Line play Other than that, it's all peachy Edited October 22, 2015 by wjag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musichunch Posted October 22, 2015 Report Share Posted October 22, 2015 I love when sh*t hits the fan and the truth comes out. Turns out Percy has had this problem going back to the 2009 combine. Six years of having to deal with the same injury, sapping away elite abilities. That sucks. But at least he got one more pay day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude_Verret Posted October 22, 2015 Report Share Posted October 22, 2015 I had saved vacation time for this week because my brother and I wanted to take our dad to the London game and spend some time in Ireland too. My dad being the curmudgeon that he is nixed the whole thing and refused to go. So instead my brother and I are taking our wives to Vegas for a long weekend, the game will be on at 6 am there so unless I stay up all night it's highly unlikely that I'll end up watching it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted October 22, 2015 Report Share Posted October 22, 2015 Schefter says Harvin isn't considering retirement and is just frustrated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted October 22, 2015 Report Share Posted October 22, 2015 ^ I don't blame the man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted October 22, 2015 Report Share Posted October 22, 2015 So who are the wideouts now, with Goodwin and presumably Harvin gone for the season, and Watkins probably out? Eeeeeeeeeeesssssshhh. Without checking anything me thinks: Woods Hogan Easley D. Moore Not sure if mark-qweese gray is still injured but they could sure use him. Chris Gragg doesn't give me much hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted October 22, 2015 Report Share Posted October 22, 2015 ^ I don't blame the man. Why should Harvin be frustrated? Taylor was throwing to him plenty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom webster Posted October 22, 2015 Report Share Posted October 22, 2015 Why should Harvin be frustrated? Taylor was throwing to him plenty. Frustrated over the injury is the implication. This was going to be a big contract year for him and its not going well. A few things; 1) I still think they make the playoffs, a first step in the Ryan process, a third step in the Whaley process 2) penalties, as aggravating as they are, shouldn't really be an issue. Look at the penalty leaders from last year, one and two were in the Super Bowl. 3) don't understand why a lot of the same people that rip the Watkins trade are concerned about wide outs. Aren't they a dime a dozen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksndmonster Posted October 22, 2015 Report Share Posted October 22, 2015 Even though he's an amazing athlete and a great guy, we gotta cut Marquise Goodwin. How many times has he been injured in his young career? 11? 13? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted October 22, 2015 Report Share Posted October 22, 2015 Frustrated over the injury is the implication. This was going to be a big contract year for him and its not going well. A few things; 1) I still think they make the playoffs, a first step in the Ryan process, a third step in the Whaley process 2) penalties, as aggravating as they are, shouldn't really be an issue. Look at the penalty leaders from last year, one and two were in the Super Bowl. 3) don't understand why a lot of the same people that rip the Watkins trade are concerned about wide outs. Aren't they a dime a dozen? Respectfully, this is a straw man. I (and I think most who don't like the Watkins trade) don't think franchise WRs are a dime a dozen -- just that there were a number of good ones they could've drafted last year that wouldn't have cost the extra #1 pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallawaySabres Posted October 22, 2015 Report Share Posted October 22, 2015 Looks like Buffalo made the wrong head coach hire....again. Mutiny on the D 6 weeks in and all these injuries? Yup, this season dies on the vine this Sunday in London. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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