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6 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

When I was calculating his stats, the page I was using broke last season up into different totals for each team..hence me thinking the last 2 seasons equal 3 seasons. However as you said, the numbers are slightly different but they still tell the same picture, his production has gone down quite a bit each season since his mvp season and his major surgery.

I don’t know.  His numbers from the 3 years before the MVP season (23.8 G’s, 61.5 PTs per 82) are not much different from the 3 seasons after (17.2 Gs, 65.6 PTs per 82), on a per game basis.

Honestly, he just is not an elite player.  He is a very good player who had an elite season that one year.

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1 hour ago, Curt said:

I don’t know.  His numbers from the 3 years before the MVP season (23.8 G’s, 61.5 PTs per 82) are not much different from the 3 seasons after (17.2 Gs, 65.6 PTs per 82), on a per game basis.

Honestly, he just is not an elite player.  He is a very good player who had an elite season that one year.

Sorta like Ryan Miller 😂

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23 minutes ago, Curt said:

I don’t really get it, but yeah kind of?

Maybe I’m alone in this opinion. And thats fine by me ... but I think Ryan Miller while he was a Sabre, was mostly an above average goalie, with one elite year. And it reminds me of how I view Hall now. That’s all.

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3 hours ago, Brawndo said:

On TSN’s Insider Trading LeBrun said the Isles might circle back to Hall, Dreger mentioned more teams in on Him Now and that GMs can talk extension with Ferris, Servalli as of now the Leafs are not in on Him but that could change at anytime. 
 

From the Athletic Pierre LeBrun

Could the Devils be the only team to net a first-round pick at this deadline? Or at least one that’s not conditional. I could be wrong, and yes the Buffalo Sabres hope to net a first-rounder for Taylor Hall, and if the Columbus Blue Jackets decide to move Foligno, maybe they do as well.

But are we sure?

The sellers outnumber the buyers right now as far as I can tell. I’ve got this weird feeling that prices may crater come Monday and some decent players may be available for cheaper prices.

I strongly believe if Devils GM Tom Fitzgerald had waited until Monday on Palmieri, the return drops to a second-round pick. He was wise to act now. I don’t think the deal gets any better. And remember that Palmieri had a partial no-trade which limits the market to some degree.

While teams like Boston and Toronto had shown interest in Palmieri, I’m not convinced a first-round pick was attainable from either of those teams.

What will fascinate me now is the fallout for Buffalo on Hall. In losing the Islanders as a potential trade partner (I mean, we assume Lamoriello is out on Hall now, right?), the Sabres likely missed out on the one buyer that had ample cap room to take on Hall’s $8 million AAV or at least half. Now, whatever teams try to step up on Hall either need a third party broker or have to send Buffalo a contract or two to make it all work. All the other buyers on the market now are close to the cap.

One team executive I spoke with Thursday said if Hall was still sitting there Monday he could see a team get him for a second- or third-round pick plus send Buffalo a contract to make it work. No question the Sabres want to do better than that. But remember that Hall has a full no-move, he gets to say yes or no to any deal.

This stuff fascinates me.

it is pretty clear that Dreger is being fed info by Darren Ferris in order to get some of Hall's preferred destinations to step up.

It is also clear that Lebrun is being fed info by a leading Hall chaser, trying to pressure Adams into taking what's on the table now.

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3 hours ago, Curt said:

Not that I disagree with most of your points, but every single one of the numbers you wrote are wrong.

Hall scored 16 goals in 65 games last season.  Over the past 3 seasons, Hall has produced at a rate of 17.2 goals and 65.6 points per 82 games.  He has been a minus player in 9 out of 11 seasons.  He will be on his 4th team in 2 years.

 

3 hours ago, mjd1001 said:

When I was calculating his stats, the page I was using broke last season up into different totals for each team..hence me thinking the last 2 seasons equal 3 seasons. However as you said, the numbers are slightly different but they still tell the same picture, his production has gone down quite a bit each season since his mvp season and his major surgery.

Interesting.  MJD's points are good, but there has to be some penalty for getting every number wrong in a post.  Or maybe a reward!

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5 minutes ago, nfreeman said:

 

Interesting.  MJD's points are good, but there has to be some penalty for getting every number wrong in a post.  Or maybe a reward!

Fan Appreciation Award, coach the Sabres for a regular season game? 😄

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4 hours ago, Curt said:

Honestly, he just is not an elite player.  He is a very good player who had an elite season that one year.

He is an elite player. But he's also a lazy player. When he wants to he can be really good. He just doesn't seem to care all too often. 

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Honestly, we just have to get something back for him, whether it's a 2nd and a good quality prospect, or two seconds.  Just jettison him.  Get what you can.  The same with Montour.

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I still like Hall to Toronto for Kerfoot, Liljigren and 2 2nd rd picks and the Sabres eat 50% of Hall's deal.  Kerfoot has 2 more years @ 3.5 plays C or LW.  He has been a 40 pts player and is only 26, but isn't a fit in Tor.  LW for LW deal and we get a solid player back.

Sabres received a conditional 1st (activated when Kane re-signed with the Sharks) an AHLers and a 4th for Evander Kane.  Will the Sabres receive even less for Hall?

 

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13 hours ago, Hank said:

Anyone think the Jets would give up Perfetti for Hall and Risto (50% retained on both)?

No chance! 

He’s being viewed like we view Cozens, their heir apparent at 2C

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6 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

I still like Hall to Toronto for Kerfoot, Liljigren and 2 2nd rd picks and the Sabres eat 50% of Hall's deal.  Kerfoot has 2 more years @ 3.5 plays C or LW.  He has been a 40 pts player and is only 26, but isn't a fit in Tor.  LW for LW deal and we get a solid player back.

Sabres received a conditional 1st (activated when Kane re-signed with the Sharks) an AHLers and a 4th for Evander Kane.  Will the Sabres receive even less for Hall?

 

Why is Kerfoot not a fit?  

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14 minutes ago, inkman said:

Why is Kerfoot not a fit?  

Because I think Toronto is more stacked on forwards than any team, limited ice time I suppose.

But he hasn't been producing like he has in Colorado, its a bit of a risk taking his contract on.   We would do Toronto a favour taking on that contract, so I'd say no.

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10 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

Because I think Toronto is more stacked on forwards than any team, limited ice time I suppose.

But he hasn't been producing like he has in Colorado, its a bit of a risk taking his contract on.   We would do Toronto a favour taking on that contract, so I'd say no.

He’s still averaging 14 minutes of ice time a game.  If he needs to be included for salary cap reasons, it would make sense but he’s still getting meaningful minutes for the loafs. 

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Just now, inkman said:

He’s still averaging 14 minutes of ice time a game.  If he needs to be included for salary cap reasons, it would make sense but he’s still getting meaningful minutes for the loafs. 

yeah then I want a first back with him 

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I think a trade should have already happened. The longer this goes on, the less confidence I have that Buffalo's going to get anything for this latest mercenary who has been playing his way off the roster and into a cheaper trade deal. I know the Islanders were part of the discussion but now they're not part of it anymore, I think that's good because they're a lot smarter than us and would surely snooker our rookie GM. Buffalo's front office is a mess. It consists of The Waitress, who has done nothing but fumble things, albeit with an iron fist. 

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20 minutes ago, Kong said:

I think a trade should have already happened. The longer this goes on, the less confidence I have that Buffalo's going to get anything for this latest mercenary who has been playing his way off the roster and into a cheaper trade deal. I know the Islanders were part of the discussion but now they're not part of it anymore, I think that's good because they're a lot smarter than us and would surely snooker our rookie GM. Buffalo's front office is a mess. It consists of The Waitress, who has done nothing but fumble things, albeit with an iron fist. 

I think I’m just gonna log off for the day 

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19 minutes ago, Kong said:

I think a trade should have already happened. The longer this goes on, the less confidence I have that Buffalo's going to get anything for this latest mercenary who has been playing his way off the roster and into a cheaper trade deal. I know the Islanders were part of the discussion but now they're not part of it anymore, I think that's good because they're a lot smarter than us and would surely snooker our rookie GM. Buffalo's front office is a mess. It consists of The Waitress, who has done nothing but fumble things, albeit with an iron fist. 

It goes both ways - wait longer and someone might overpay out of desperation.  Wait too long and there isn't a trade partner.  

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48 minutes ago, Brawndo said:

Kerfoot would also be a huge upgrade in terms of a Bottom Six Center over Cody Eakin 

Eakin screams buyout to me this offseason.  Him being terrible, plus decent cap savings in year 1.  The year 2 penalty is less than a million (and the cap should go up in 2022.  You also save like 800K in cash.

There is no reason he should be on the team next year imo.

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28 minutes ago, Kong said:

I think a trade should have already happened. The longer this goes on, the less confidence I have that Buffalo's going to get anything for this latest mercenary who has been playing his way off the roster and into a cheaper trade deal. I know the Islanders were part of the discussion but now they're not part of it anymore, I think that's good because they're a lot smarter than us and would surely snooker our rookie GM. Buffalo's front office is a mess. It consists of The Waitress, who has done nothing but fumble things, albeit with an iron fist. 

Nonsense.

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32 minutes ago, Kong said:

I think a trade should have already happened. The longer this goes on, the less confidence I have that Buffalo's going to get anything for this latest mercenary who has been playing his way off the roster and into a cheaper trade deal. I know the Islanders were part of the discussion but now they're not part of it anymore, I think that's good because they're a lot smarter than us and would surely snooker our rookie GM. Buffalo's front office is a mess. It consists of The Waitress, who has done nothing but fumble things, albeit with an iron fist. 

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37 minutes ago, Kong said:

Buffalo's front office is a mess. It consists of The Waitress, who has done nothing but fumble things, albeit with an iron fist. 

This has become the new dog whistle of Sabrespace. As much as I dislike how Terry and Kim have run the Sabres, if Kim were a man you would never say this. 

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4 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

This has become the new dog whistle of Sabrespace. As much as I dislike how Terry and Kim have run the Sabres, if Kim were a man you would never say this. 

We called the previous owner Old Sugar Packets so idk.

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