UPDATE: Sam Reinhart signs 2-year extension -- $3.65MM per year

[Hoss]

2 hours ago, WildCard said:

It's gonna be Girgensons for a 3rd

I’d be surprised if we got that. Surprised and very happy.

[In The Buff]

Just heard the news... Wow what a great deal! Our gm's in the past wouldve been too afraid to lose someone like Sam where they mightve been more willing to dish out a 7 year 7mil/per contract. But not JBots. This guy is fiscally responsible & is methodical in his approach.

As others have pointed out, we have 3 1st round picks next year. Our team is getting faster & Sam needs to prove he can be a productive even strength forward, before we commit that much to him.

But big sigh of relief that a deal is done & this won't be a distraction going forward & we can get him into the lineup to get everything rolling.

Another day & more great Sabres news! The Sabres are my cure for those Bills blues. Go Sabres!

[SwampD]

I hope, for his sake, that it is laden with incentives, cuz that seems like a really good deal for the Sabres.

[darksabre]

3 minutes ago, SwampD said:

I hope, for his sake, that it is laden with incentives, cuz that seems like a really good deal for the Sabres.

I think there are a lot of factors going in to the bargain rate. His slow start, his attitude towards being coached/admitting he had changed his game, off ice stuff. I think he has a lot to prove still.

[Hoss]

It’s certainly the prove-it type deal and with a lockout looming there’s a chance the two-year deal appealed to him/his agent. If he plays out of his mind these two seasons and then the next CBA is very favorable to players he’d be in good shape.

[Taro T]

32 minutes ago, SwampD said:

I hope, for his sake, that it is laden with incentives, cuz that seems like a really good deal for the Sabres.

Heisn't eligible for performance bonuses (barring winning league wide accolades/awards).

[LGR4GM]

31 minutes ago, Hoss said:

It’s certainly the prove-it type deal and with a lockout looming there’s a chance the two-year deal appealed to him/his agent. If he plays out of his mind these two seasons and then the next CBA is very favorable to players he’d be in good shape.

I'll guarantee you the next CBA won't be "very favorable" to players. It might give them Olympics and less escrow but I don't see major concessions coming. 

[Huckleberry]

I still think Samson took a team discount, Botts had no other choice than a short term deal.   Anything over 5.5 mill would have killed our cap situation this year.

PROJECTED CAP HIT  : $76,684,524

PROJECTED LTIR USED  : $0

PROJECTED CAP SPACE  : $2,815,476

[7+6=13]

I watched replays of all of Sam's goals from last year.  I tallied each of them on what type of goal they were.  

7 - Tips from outside shots

13 - In front of the net (only 2 were more than 1 foot from the crease). 1 was about 3 feet and the other 5 feet and both backhands.  

2 -  Wrist shots - 1 from about 10 feet and the other from about 20 feet that squeaked through the pads. 

2 - Empty net

(they only showed 24 but he had 27)

It's pretty amazing the amount of work he does down low.  It's something good teams need and I found a new respect for him after finding that video.  His tip work is incredible and he's got the best hands on the team around the net - without knowing how the newcomers do.  

[MakeSabresGrr8Again]

4 minutes ago, 7+6=13 said:

I watched replays of all of Sam's goals from last year.  I tallied each of them on what type of goal they were.  

7 - Tips from outside shots

13 - In front of the net (only 2 were more than 1 foot from the crease). 1 was about 3 feet and the other 5 feet and both backhands.  

2 -  Wrist shots - 1 from about 10 feet and the other from about 20 feet that squeaked through the pads. 

2 - Empty net

(they only showed 24 but he had 27)

It's pretty amazing the amount of work he does down low.  It's something good teams need and I found a new respect for him after finding that video.  His tip work is incredible and he's got the best hands on the team around the net - without knowing how the newcomers do.  

Nice job....but did you consider that 1/2 his goals (25 not 27) were on the PP as were almost half his point total? JBOT likely had an argument that he needs better 5v5 stats.

 

[Andrew Amerk]

37 minutes ago, 7+6=13 said:

I watched replays of all of Sam's goals from last year.  I tallied each of them on what type of goal they were.  

7 - Tips from outside shots

13 - In front of the net (only 2 were more than 1 foot from the crease). 1 was about 3 feet and the other 5 feet and both backhands.  

2 -  Wrist shots - 1 from about 10 feet and the other from about 20 feet that squeaked through the pads. 

2 - Empty net

(they only showed 24 but he had 27)

It's pretty amazing the amount of work he does down low.  It's something good teams need and I found a new respect for him after finding that video.  His tip work is incredible and he's got the best hands on the team around the net - without knowing how the newcomers do.  

Can you share the video?

[7+6=13]

2 minutes ago, Andrew Amerk said:

Can you share the video?

 

[7+6=13]

31 minutes ago, MakeSabresGrr8Again said:

Nice job....but did you consider that 1/2 his goals (25 not 27) were on the PP as were almost half his point total? JBOT likely had an argument that he needs better 5v5 stats.

 

Not sure why I typed 27.  I think his 5v5 is likely why he didn't get a long term deal.  I don't see Sam as a featured player and I don't mind paying a role player that does his best work around the net. 

[Randall Flagg]

It's a little curious that Sam's 5v5 production isn't there because the team's production when he's on the ice at 5v5 is better, as are the metrics and production of any single player with him versus without him 

[Andrew Amerk]

9 minutes ago, 7+6=13 said:

 

Wow. Thank you. Seemed like a majority of these were on the PP. 

I knew he’d been doing good work around the net, but seeing the compilation like this gave me even more appreciation for it. 

[SwampD]

23 minutes ago, Randall Flagg said:

It's a little curious that Sam's 5v5 production isn't there because the team's production when he's on the ice at 5v5 is better, as are the metrics and production of any single player with him versus without him 

That's really interesting.

I think this deal is going to be an absolute steal by the end of it.

[Ducky]

I think it is a smart move by management. There are a lot of UFAs coming off of the books by then and besides Skinner and Scandella, how many are going to be re-signed? Lots of ELC contracts coming up to offset the bigger contracts that will need to be signed.

This GM realizes that you cannot build a year-after-year contender in a season or two and likes to hold onto his high end draft picks. Three first round draft picks is nuts. Imagine what some astute drafting could do for the organization with those picks to add to an up and coming young team.

 

[PerreaultForever]

Great deal.

I'm still not sure about him. I think it's a wise move not to reward a guy long term who hasn't showed a full season yet. If he's great he'll get rewarded and if he isn't, it's cap friendly. A long term deal was too much of a gamble. I actually would't be surprised if JBot does not see him as part of the long term future, tried hard to trade him, but no one was willing to gamble and offer substantial return so this option is a safe move. 

imo another positive for JBot. 

[MODO Hockey]

Well, ive never really enjoyed watching Sam play. Allthough he scored 25 last season, for 3,5 m usd ill take that any day.
Think this might be a steal, we will see though.

[French Collection]

I'm glad he's back in the fold. It's a team friendly deal and I hope he is motivated to get a big raise.

[LGR4GM]

42% of Reinhart's production came on the powerplay last season. This includes 48% of his goals. Jack Eichel on the other hand had 31% of his production on the PP and only 12% of his goals were PPG. Just interesting when comparing the two. 

[LGR4GM]

9 hours ago, Ducky said:

I think it is a smart move by management. There are a lot of UFAs coming off of the books by then and besides Skinner and Scandella, how many are going to be re-signed? Lots of ELC contracts coming up to offset the bigger contracts that will need to be signed.

This GM realizes that you cannot build a year-after-year contender in a season or two and likes to hold onto his high end draft picks. Three first round draft picks is nuts. Imagine what some astute drafting could do for the organization with those picks to add to an up and coming young team.

 

Just for fun, I went back and looked at the 2016 draft. Let's say Buffalo drafts 14th, 19th, and 26th. (Random spots)

At 14th they could have selected McAvoy which would have been amazing. At 19th could have had Keiffer Bellows. And at 26th we could have had Tage Thompson. With a little a luck in 2019 Buffalo should get 2 solid prospects and with some good scouting can find 3 guys that will be contributors in 2-4 years. 

[GASabresIUFAN]

11 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

42% of Reinhart's production came on the powerplay last season. This includes 48% of his goals. Jack Eichel on the other hand had 31% of his production on the PP and only 12% of his goals were PPG. Just interesting when comparing the two. 

For a team that was dead last in 5 on 5 scoring last season by a wide margin Reinhart’s production is a huge problem.  That is one of the reasons why Jack has a long-term deal and Samson a bridge deal.  2nd overall pick are supposed to be just PP specialists.

[WildCard]

Yay, more race talk ?

Anyways.

Yeah the 5v5 stuff with Reinhart is both really surprising and concerning. I wonder if he was at least producing scoring opportunities at 5v5 or not 

[Huckleberry]

6 minutes ago, WildCard said:

Yay, more race talk ?

Anyways.

Yeah the 5v5 stuff with Reinhart is both really surprising and concerning. I wonder if he was at least producing scoring opportunities at 5v5 or not 

Don't know, when they tried him out at center, his line had the best offensive zone possesion stats, but on his wings you had girgensons and okposo or something like that.

6 hours ago, MODO Hockey said:

Well, ive never really enjoyed watching Sam play. Allthough he scored 25 last season, for 3,5 m usd ill take that any day.
Think this might be a steal, we will see though.

I always liked seeing him play, his vision and passing is among the best we have.    Sometimes you can see him make great plays, but have no one to finish.