Samson's Flow Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 First, why isn't this thread pinned? Second, Chris Nichols @NicholsOnHockey 4m4 minutes agoMore “As of this morning, what I was told is that there’s a 50-50 chance that Ryan O’Reilly gets traded period." #Sabres - Dreger This is exactly the type of tweet that major insiders throw out there to keep the media interested in a story when they have no new information. It keeps the "ROR trade" storyline going. I'd throw more blame towards the twitter era and the 24 hour news cycle than towards not knowing anything. It's a down moment in terms of these rumors, but you still have to say something. Eggzactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanny Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 This is exactly the type of tweet that major insiders throw out there to keep the media interested in a story when they have no new information. It keeps the "ROR trade" storyline going. Worth noting, this wasn't a tweet from Dreger. He was on a radio station being asked a question, this guy then quoted it in a tweet. I'm really not a fan of what that Nichols guy does, there are others doing the same as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 Pu, Willman, Davidsson, and Fitzgerald also off the ice at development camp. That’s quite the load of prospects were shipping off with ROR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrico Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 Pu, Willman, Davidsson, and Fitzgerald also off the ice at development camp. That’s quite the load of prospects were shipping off with ROR. :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 I'm angry if he's moved for scratch offs. Otherwise, it'll be wait and see, just like the last 5+ seasons. IMO if they are going to move ROR, the one and only position they could move him for that would provide equal benefit to what we would be losing is a bonafide starting goalie. Maybe, but the last thing I want in a ROR trade is a goalie, unless it's Lundqvist in his prime. When I look at goalies who would reasonably be traded, none of them interest me as a return for O'Reilly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 But would you exchange a $5 bill for 3 singles and 2 scratch offs? That's what pretty much any deal would wind up being, some immediate help for the roster combined with prospects(s)/picks(s). Maybe a $2 goalie and a $1 forward and 2 scratch offs. We need to replace a top 6 center's importance. A bunch of 3rd liners on bad teams/4th liners on good teams won't do that. Maybe, but the last thing I want in a ROR trade is a goalie, unless it's Lundqvist in his prime. When I look at goalies who would reasonably be traded, none of them interest me as a return for O'Reilly. If it's picks and prospects? You must have the patience of Job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 Maybe a $2 goalie and a $1 forward and 2 scratch offs. We need to replace a top 6 center's importance. A bunch of 3rd liners on bad teams/4th liners on good teams won't do that. If it's picks and prospects? You must have the patience of Job. I'll be quite pissed if it's picks and prospects. But I'd still rather have that than a non-elite goalie. If a goalie is involved I could live with it, but not if the goalie is the centerpiece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 I'll be quite pissed if it's picks and prospects. But I'd still rather have that than a non-elite goalie. If a goalie is involved I could live with it, but not if the goalie is the centerpiece. I don't need elite, average to above average starter + other is enough to replace O'Reilly's importance to the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasmus_ Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 Pu, Willman, Davidsson, and Fitzgerald also off the ice at development camp. That’s quite the load of prospects were shipping off with ROR. AUSTON MATTHEWS :P JK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 Vogl bringing up the idea that Botterill might be considering Sam Reinhart as O’Reilly’s replacement as second line centre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkard Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 Vogl bringing up the idea that Botterill might be considering Sam Reinhart as O’Reilly’s replacement as second line center. Woof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samson's Flow Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 Maybe a $2 goalie and a $1 forward and 2 scratch offs. We need to replace a top 6 center's importance. A bunch of 3rd liners on bad teams/4th liners on good teams won't do that. If it's picks and prospects? You must have the patience of Job. I'm sorry We've, we are usually pretty aligned on things around here, but I want nothing to do with a goalie as part of the ROR package. They are just too unpredictable in terms of value. I'd much rather address goalie separately and focus on getting a couple of core skaters back (one young NHL'er and a nearly there top prospect). That seems like more projectable value, and we need some security if we're trading our 2nd best player. I think back to the inclusion of guys like Kasdorf in the past who turn out to be zero value long term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 Especially if you look at the teams interested in ROR - the only remotely good, available (read - not Carey Price on the worst contract in the league) goalie is Dubnyk, who would sap up most of ROR's value, and is 32, and absolutely has inflated stats due to being behind a consistently top 5 defense in the league. When he hasn't been behind Minnesota's D he's been terrible, and he's even had mediocre seasons there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 If we pay any goalie anything over $3mil/per to platoon with Ullmark we're idiots. Unless we somehow get Lundqvist as a cap dump... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 First, why isn't this thread pinned? Second, Chris Nichols @NicholsOnHockey 4m4 minutes agoMore “As of this morning, what I was told is that there’s a 50-50 chance that Ryan O’Reilly gets traded period." #Sabres - Dreger *Continues to sit comfortably and happily in this camp, nodding at the constant and regular reaffirmations that it's the truth* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahnyc Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 Seems pretty clear that the Sabres have a strong desire to trade O'Reilly. At this point, with all of the constant chatter, I think it would be hard for him and the team for him not to be traded since the optics of all of this could diminish his standing in the locker room if he were to return (with a sense that it would be inevitable that he would be traded at some point if not now). Must be some underlying reasons for this situation, but I continue to believe that this is a big mistake. Hard to find quality centers with some leadership ability and he is not old. Are we really ready to say that this is Jack's team? Does he have the maturity and leadership abilities at this point of his career? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 Seems pretty clear that the Sabres have a strong desire to trade O'Reilly. At this point, with all of the constant chatter, I think it would be hard for him and the team for him not to be traded since the optics of all of this could diminish his standing in the locker room if he were to return (with a sense that it would be inevitable that he would be traded at some point if not now). Must be some underlying reasons for this situation, but I continue to believe that this is a big mistake. Hard to find quality centers with some leadership ability and he is not old. Are we really ready to say that this is Jack's team? Does he have the maturity and leadership abilities at this point of his career? First question: Yes.* Second question: Maybe not, but if you take ROR away he will fill the vacuum and figure it out. *It's Jack's team, but maybe it's 3 As again. If Reino really assumes 2C, the As might be Jack, Reino and Dahlin, depending on how things go leading into the season. If Dahlin is not deemed A-worthy, then maybe Jack gets the C outright. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetlou Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 If Buffalo and Minnesota are looking at a deal, who are the key components going each way? Could Coyle be the center we get to replace ROR if he is traded? Would there be salary dumps going each way? We take Ennis back if you take Bogo? Could change of scenery help a couple of vets out? We send Okposo and get back Niederreiter? A couple of scenarios I would be interested in... Trade 1- Sabres send Okposo, Bogo, Nylander, and SJ 1st for Zucker, Coyle, and Ennis. Trade 2- Sabres send Okposo, Nylander and McCabe for Coyle, Niederreiter, and Ennis. Trade 3- Sabres send Okposo, Bogo, Nylander and 2020 3rd for Coyle, Niederreiter, and Ennis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 This should be good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 Minny wants to shed salary, so while Okposo is completely untradable to any team in the NHL, he's especially untradable to Minnesota. It's one of the worst contracts out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 (edited) Maybe Management thinks we have a luxury at center. With Eichel - Mittelstadt - O'Reilly. We also got Pu who almost got a 9 game tryout last year. Edited June 28, 2018 by Huckleberry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Crotch Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 Seems pretty clear that the Sabres have a strong desire to trade O'Reilly. At this point, with all of the constant chatter, I think it would be hard for him and the team for him not to be traded since the optics of all of this could diminish his standing in the locker room if he were to return (with a sense that it would be inevitable that he would be traded at some point if not now). Must be some underlying reasons for this situation, but I continue to believe that this is a big mistake. Hard to find quality centers with some leadership ability and he is not old. Are we really ready to say that this is Jack's team? Does he have the maturity and leadership abilities at this point of his career? Seems that an O'Reilly trade is likely to happen after July 1st when his $7.5 million bonus payment hits (no team wants to trade for him until that happens). The rumor out of St. Louis was/is Colton Parayko and the Blues' 1st round pick last year Robert Thomas for O'Reilly and a defenseman (https://bleedinblue.com/2018/06/28/st-louis-blues-trading-colton-parayko-create-holes/). I think if we were to get a guy like Pareyko on the right side that'd make Risto expendable. And, he could be traded for a scoring forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 This thread is awesome. It just keeps giving and giving and giving and ........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetlou Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 Minny wants to shed salary, so while Okposo is completely untradable to any team in the NHL, he's especially untradable to Minnesota. It's one of the worst contracts out there. Niederreiter and Okposo are very similar players on similar contracts. Okposo is 5 years older. We are relieving them of cap space by taking Ennis and his salary. Niederreiter is due 21 million over the next four years. Okposo is due 26 million in real money over next five years. Last five years... Okposo- GP- 351, G- 101, A- 172, Pts- 273 Niederreiter- GP- 388, G- 101, A- 104, Pts- 205 So statistically Okposo has been better, and I think going home to Minnesota definitely would spark his play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 This thread is awesome. It just keeps giving and giving and giving and ........ I think its ok, other boards are much worse than ours :p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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