Brawndo Posted July 9, 2017 Report Share Posted July 9, 2017 Per Hamilton The arbitration hearings for Robin Lehner is July 27 and Nate Beaulieu August 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasmus_ Posted July 9, 2017 Report Share Posted July 9, 2017 Per Hamilton The arbitration hearings for Robin Lehner is July 27 and Nate Beaulieu August 4 I have a solid feeling that Beaulieu will settle before then and Lehner will go through arbitration. The interesting question is what happens after his hearing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted July 9, 2017 Report Share Posted July 9, 2017 I have a solid feeling that Beaulieu will settle before then and Lehner will go through arbitration. The interesting question is what happens after his hearing. I don't think either of them reach a hearing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-90 W Posted July 9, 2017 Report Share Posted July 9, 2017 Per Hamilton The arbitration hearings for Robin Lehner is July 27 and Nate Beaulieu August 4 Very nice, thanks for that. The Lehner arbitration is the big one, I have no idea what that number is going to be. Side note, I wonder if it puts strain between a player and a GM when it goes all the way to the arbitrator at the very end, or if it's just considered business? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kas23 Posted July 9, 2017 Report Share Posted July 9, 2017 Very nice, thanks for that. The Lehner arbitration is the big one, I have no idea what that number is going to be. Side note, I wonder if it puts strain between a player and a GM when it goes all the way to the arbitrator at the very end, or if it's just considered business? I definitely think it causes strain. Basically the team will be placing all of your deficiencies under a microscope and arguing how bad you are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted July 10, 2017 Report Share Posted July 10, 2017 I don't think either of them reach a hearing. I haven't seen the full list, but I'll be curious to see how many hearings actually happen across the entire league. It'll be a handful at best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted July 10, 2017 Report Share Posted July 10, 2017 I haven't seen the full list, but I'll be curious to see how many hearings actually happen across the entire league. It'll be a handful at best. Read somewhere (here maybe) that of the 30 or so cases filed for arbitration, only 1 actually went to arbitration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rakish Posted July 13, 2017 Report Share Posted July 13, 2017 I posted some of this last week, but I needed to work on the data a bit, so I did that. I decided to order goaltenders by per 60. Meaning that I took what the goaltender should have given up per 60 based upon the distance of the shots(let's say 3), minus what they actually gave up (let's say 2.5) to give the goaltender a .5 per 60. Following that is the raw number. Let's say that he should have given up 100, and he gave up 90, he'd be at 10. The numbers seem a bit positive, part of it is that I didn't bother with all goaltenders (if you play only a few games, it's likely your number is negative), and part of it is probably a math error somewhere. The goal here was to create a chart with per 60 on one axis and contract on the other, to give an idea of what Lehner is worth, but with many expensive goaltenders being not so good, and some great though unheralded being very cheap, it's probably a useless chart. The stat isn't perfect, my current theory is that a poor defensive player will have more goals scored on them than their shot distance would predict, but I think it's better than other stats out there. Do notice that (likely) the two most analytic teams traded for unheralded goaltenders who had really great years. Darling .88 21.6Bob .81 49.8Murray .61 28.3Price .59 25.2Howard .57 13.4Gibson .53 24.5Grubauer .52 11Raanta .52 14.2Talbot .48 34.9Holtby .44 27.5Anderson (Ottawa) .44Saros .43 8.6Crawford .47 21.6Quick .35 5.4Nilsson .34 7.4Smith .32 15.3Greiss .31 14.5Halek .29 7.8Markstrom .27 6.6Fleury .27 9.7Reimer .25 9.8Miller .24 12.5Andersen (Toronto) .22 13.8Jones .22 14Bernier .22 5.2Dubnyk .19 12.2Rinne .19 11.3Budaj/Bishop (Los Angeles - They had the same number) .15 8.8Luongo .14 5.6Johnson .14 4.6Montoya .14 2.6Lehner .13 6.2Allen .13 7.2Kinkaid .12 3Lundqvist .1 5.5Condon .1 3.7Hutton .09 2.8Elliot .08 3.1Schneider .02 .9Vasilevskiy .02 1.3Lehtonen -.01 -.3Rask -.03 -1.3Bishop -.03 -1Ward -.06 -3.2Mason -.08 -4.5Pickard -.1 -3.8Mrazek -.11 -5Korpisalo -.11 -1.4McElhinney (Toronto) -.17 -2.9Domingue -.19 -4.4Lack -.34 -3.8Khudobin -.37 -4.6Newvirth -.38 -8.6Kuemper -.43 -7.5Niemi -.46 -13.4Varlamov -.47 -10.6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted July 13, 2017 Report Share Posted July 13, 2017 So more positive is good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rakish Posted July 13, 2017 Report Share Posted July 13, 2017 yes, more positive is good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 only 4 days until Lehner's hearing... tick tock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 only 4 days until Lehner's hearing... tick tock I have every confidence that this will go to arbitration. They might reach a deal before a decision is rendered, but both sides are going to be heard on this one. Lehner is not Botterill's boy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ct fab Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 Plus if it goes to arbitration, the sabres can choose a 1 year "show me contract" with Lehner still a RFA next year. Major advantage there as why give him a 3 year contract, not knowing what you have, and have him a UFA in 3 years. Give yourself more time to decide Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woods-racer Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 Plus if it goes to arbitration, the sabres can choose a 1 year "show me contract" with Lehner still a RFA next year. Major advantage there as why give him a 3 year contract, not knowing what you have, and have him a UFA in 3 years. Give yourself more time to decide Or they don't believe he's the future starter now, and want an easily movable contract so their not stuck with a Molson type player in a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 I wonder what he'll look like in this new system... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom webster Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 Plus if it goes to arbitration, the sabres can choose a 1 year "show me contract" with Lehner still a RFA next year. Major advantage there as why give him a 3 year contract, not knowing what you have, and have him a UFA in 3 years. Give yourself more time to decide Plus if it goes to arbitration, the sabres can choose a 1 year "show me contract" with Lehner still a RFA next year. Major advantage there as why give him a 3 year contract, not knowing what you have, and have him a UFA in 3 years. Give yourself more time to decide You sure about that? I thought it was a player's decision if they wanted the 1 or 2 year deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 I wonder what he'll look like in this new system... Not great. They'll likely struggle out of the gate, maybe allow fewer shots but higher quality scoring chances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 You sure about that? I thought it was a player's decision if they wanted the 1 or 2 year deal. If player chooses arbitration, team chooses term (if applicable). If team chooses arbitration, player chooses term (if applicable). Team can't walk away from team selected arbitration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 If player chooses arbitration, team chooses term (if applicable). If team chooses arbitration, player chooses term (if applicable). Team can't walk away from team selected arbitration. If I remember right, which is usually the case (I think), that the 3 players filed this time around and not the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom webster Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 If player chooses arbitration, team chooses term (if applicable). If team chooses arbitration, player chooses term (if applicable). Team can't walk away from team selected arbitration. Thx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 More concerned about Beaulieu situation, tbh. August 4th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 More concerned about Beaulieu situation, tbh. August 4th. Yeah same, no connection with this team, this might get played hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 (edited) One of the main reasons the Canadiens traded Beaulieu was fear that his 28 points would far outweigh his actual value to the team and in the eyes of the arbitrator. Not worried about Lehner. If he gets awarded $5 million it will only be a year or two and won't hurt us down the road. If signs a longer-term deal it will be for less and he likely will be worth it. Edited July 24, 2017 by dudacek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 More concerned about Beaulieu situation, tbh. August 4th. I'm more worried about Lehner. Just because he thinks he's better than he is. Beaulieu doesn't concern me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabel79 Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 Plus which, JBOT actively went out and traded for Beaulieu. Would tend to indicate that he'd be more motivated to get a contract done in his case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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