dudacek Posted April 27, 2017 Report Share Posted April 27, 2017 (edited) Steve Patrick was one Scotty Bowman's finest drafting moments (second only to the immortal Jiri Dudacek) James Patrick came a crossbar away from sending Buffalo to the cup final. Steve's son and James' nephew is our destiny. Edited April 27, 2017 by dudacek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted April 27, 2017 Report Share Posted April 27, 2017 Steve Patrick was one Scotty Bowman's finest drafting moments (second only to the immortal Jiri Dudacek) James Patrick came a crossbar away from sending Buffalo to the cup final. Steve's son and James' nephew is our destiny. Aka Patrik Stefan 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-90 W Posted April 27, 2017 Report Share Posted April 27, 2017 Totally Disagree. If we have to overpay for a top 4 dman, I'd rather overpay with a draft pick than say, Samson. As many have suggested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted April 28, 2017 Report Share Posted April 28, 2017 (edited) I have been a huge advocate for D first, but what if we trade Kane for a top 3 D like Vatanen (Age 26).  If you add him to a Antipin (24), Guhle (20), Bogo (27), Risto (23) and McCabe (24) you have an average D age of 24.  Not exactly the over the hill gang.  This would be a thrilling result for the off-season.  It would give us a young and dynamic group of D and allow us to let D prospects like Borgen and Fitzgerald time to develop properly.  It also takes away the urgency of getting a Makar or Miko in the first rd.   However, it may create a need to get a LW.  In fact trading Kane leaves us with no top 6 NHL LW.  Nylander is unlikely going to be ready, therefore trading Kane leaves the LW in the hands of Carrier, Foligno, Ennis and maybe Larsson or Girgensons.  Not exactly a group to fear.  Assuming we trade Kane and we don't win the lottery, I'm trading down to 12 or so and grabbing Vesalainen.  I loved his game in the U18.  He has size speed and hands and likes to score around the net.  He'd be a perfect Kane replacement long-term.  Then we can utilize our collection of 2nds and the assets we get for trading down and then work back into the 1st rd to get Nick Hague, A excellent skating 6'6" D.  Edited April 28, 2017 by GASabresFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabre fan Posted April 28, 2017 Report Share Posted April 28, 2017 your point of trading Kane leaves us with a very uninspiring left side is a big factor in trading Kane...I just think we either have to re-sign him to a long term contract ASAP or trade him...we cannot afford to not sign him then lose him to free agency ALA briere and Drury moves that I still lament to this day. at this point Kane is a big asset and we must use that in a good way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3putt Posted April 28, 2017 Report Share Posted April 28, 2017 Tough to trade down in the NHL draft as is much less in a draft where consensus says that the picks from 10 to 40 are not separated by much.  A 5th or sixth rounder isn't likely to move the needle for a gm to move down.  We will pick where we land, and I don’t think we are trading it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted April 28, 2017 Report Share Posted April 28, 2017 The Sabres have 5 picks in the first 3 rounds (currently 6, 38, 58, 69 & 93).  This is a great deal of ammo to move up and down in a draft.  Despite some even "ratings" certain teams like certain players and will work to move up to get those players.  For example, someone may covet RW Owen Tippett who is still available to us at no.6 however our new GM is looking for a D or LW, but Makar and Miro are already gone.  Carolina at 11, also has 3 2nd rd picks.  To move up to 6th Carolina would have to give us their 2nd and one of the later 2nds.   Now with 4 2nds our new GM can trade two of the them to get back into the end of the 1st and fill a second need.  This kind of draft is the perfect type of draft for a great deal of movement.   If we handle this properly and come away with both Vesalainen and a Hague, we'll have drafted the Kane and eventual Bogo replacements.  I believe that Vesalainen has a NHL body already and might need as little as one more year before being NHL ready.   Now imagine in 2018-19 a top 9 of Nylander Eichel Baptiste Vesalainen ROR Okposo Carrier Reinhart Bailey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted April 28, 2017 Report Share Posted April 28, 2017 The Sabres have 5 picks in the first 3 rounds (currently 6, 38, 58, 69 & 93).  This is a great deal of ammo to move up and down in a draft.  Despite some even "ratings" certain teams like certain players and will work to move up to get those players.  For example, someone may covet RW Owen Tippett who is still available to us at no.6 however our new GM is looking for a D or LW, but Makar and Miro are already gone.  Carolina at 11, also has 3 2nd rd picks.  To move up to 6th Carolina would have to give us their 2nd and one of the later 2nds.   Now with 4 2nds our new GM can trade two of the them to get back into the end of the 1st and fill a second need.  This kind of draft is the perfect type of draft for a great deal of movement.   If we handle this properly and come away with both Vesalainen and a Hague, we'll have drafted the Kane and eventual Bogo replacements.  I believe that Vesalainen has a NHL body already and might need as little as one more year before being NHL ready.   Now imagine in 2018-19 a top 9 of Nylander Eichel Baptiste Vesalainen ROR Okposo Carrier Reinhart Bailey Slightly off topic from your post, is Vegas getting an extra pick @ the end of the 1st? I'd've expected the Sabres' 2nd & 3rd round selections to be 37 & 68 respectively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted April 28, 2017 Report Share Posted April 28, 2017 Slightly off topic from your post, is Vegas getting an extra pick @ the end of the 1st? I'd've expected the Sabres' 2nd & 3rd round selections to be 37 & 68 respectively. Â I used Capfriendly's chart. Â https://capfriendly.com/draft/2017 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted April 28, 2017 Report Share Posted April 28, 2017 Do the vacant GM/HC positions become more attractive if BUF wins the lottery? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted April 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2017 Do the vacant GM/HC positions become more attractive if BUF wins the lottery? Probably, but I would imagine this is already about as attractive as a job you can ask for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted April 28, 2017 Report Share Posted April 28, 2017 Do the vacant GM/HC positions become more attractive if BUF wins the lottery? I'm sure it would bring a slight increase in intrigue, I don't think it would be a turning point or anything major like that, not in this draft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted April 28, 2017 Report Share Posted April 28, 2017 Probably, but I would imagine this is already about as attractive as a job you can ask for. Absolutely. Work for two years, get paid for four. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted April 28, 2017 Report Share Posted April 28, 2017 I used Capfriendly's chart. Â https://capfriendly.com/draft/2017 It's wrong. Â They flipped Detroit & Buffalo after round 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted April 28, 2017 Report Share Posted April 28, 2017 Absolutely. Work for two years, get paid for four. Outstanding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted April 28, 2017 Report Share Posted April 28, 2017 I was playing around with the tankathon lottery simulator. Â I rolled the dice 50 times and the results aren't pretty. Â We improved (1-3) - 13 times Stayed the same (6) - 5 times Fell to 7th - 16 times Fell to 8th - 15 times Fell to 9th - 1 time Fell to 7-9 - Total 32 times - 60%+ chance of falling. Â Yick!. Â Â I wonder how close these results are to the stated odds? Â Edit: Found them! Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted April 29, 2017 Report Share Posted April 29, 2017 I'm going to be a homer and say we have two top 7 and possibly two top 4 picks from Winnipeg. I think Patrick goes first and Glass goes top 7 for sure and maybe even 4th. Patrick Hischier Vilardi Glass  I also think after the 2nd or 3rd pick, it will depend a LOT on the team drafting. One team might want to go for D men while others might want centers or best palyer available. It isn't a strong draft and I wouldn't mind seeing the Jets move down or involved in a trade for a 1LHD or 2LHD with their 1st pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5th line wingnutt Posted April 29, 2017 Report Share Posted April 29, 2017 The Wingnutt ranking for April             ## Player B-date HT WT Pos Sh Team League Links      1 Patrick, Nolan 09/19/98 6' 2.75" 198 C R Brandon WHL Link Link Link Link   2 Hischier, Nico 01/04/99 6' 0.75" 176 C L Halifax QMJHL Link Link Link Link   3 Vilardi, Gabriel 08/16/99 6' 3.0" 201 C R Windsor OHL Link Link Link Link   4 Liljegren, Timothy 04/30/99 6' 0.0" 191 D R Rogle SWEDEN Link Link Link Link   5 Mittlestadt, Casey 11/22/98 6' 0.75" 201 C L Eden Prairie HIGH-MN Link Link Link Link   6 Tippett, Owen 02/16/99 6' 1.5" 202 RW R Mississauga OHL Link Link Link Link Link  7 Tolvanen, Eeli 04/22/99 5' 10.25" 170 RW L Sioux City USHL  Link Link Link   8 Necas, Martin 01/15/99 6' 0.5" 167 C R Brno CZREP  Link Link Link   9 Rasmussen, Michael 04/17/99 6' 5.75" 215 C L Tri-City WHL Link Link Link Link   10 Pettersson, Elias 12/11/98 6' 1.25" 156 C L Timra SWEDEN-2  Link Link Link   11 Kostin, Klim 05/05/99 6' 3.0" 196 C/LW L Dynamo Moscow RUSSIA  Link Link Link   12 Makar, Cale 10/30/98 5' 11.25" 179 D R Brooks AJHL Link Link Link Link   13 Heiskanen, Miro 07/18/99 6' 0.0" 170 D L Hifk FINLAND  Link Link Link   14 Valimaki, Juusso 10/06/98 6' 1.5" 204 D L Tri-City WHL Link Link Link Link   15 Glass, Cody 04/01/99 6' 1.75" 180 C R Portland WHL  Link Link Link   16 Andersson, Lias 10/13/98 5' 11.25" 198 C L Hv 71 SWEDEN Link Link Link Link   17 Foote, Callan 12/13/98 6' 3.5" 213 D R Kelowna WHL Link Link Link Link   18 Poehling, Ryan 01/03/99 6' 1.75" 183 C L St. Cloud State NCHC Link Link Link Link   19 Vesalainen, Kristian 01/06/99 6' 3.25" 207 LW/RW L Frolunda SWEDEN  Link Link    20 Comtois, Maxime 01/08/99 6' 2.25" 199 LW L Victoriaville QMJHL  Link Link Link   21 Hague, Nicholas 12/05/98 6' 5.5" 206 D L Mississauga OHL  Link Link Link   22 Yamamoto, Kailer 09/29/98 5' 7.5" 153 RW R Spokane WHL Link Link Link Link   23 Suzuki, Nicholas 08/10/99 5' 10.75" 187 C R Owen Sound OHL  Link Link Link   24 Bowers, Shane 07/30/99 6' 1.25" 183 C L Waterloo USHL  Link Link Link   25 Popugayev, Nikita A. 11/20/98 6' 5.5" 204 LW R Prince George WHL Link Link Link    26 Vaakanainen, Urho 01/01/99 6' 0.5" 185 D L Jyp FINLAND  Link Link Link   27 Brannstrom, Erik 02/09/99 5' 10.0" 173 D L Hv 71 Jr. SWEDEN-JR.  Link Link Link   28 Strome, Matthew 01/06/99 6' 3.5" 206 LW L Hamilton OHL  Link Link    29 Thomas, Robert 07/02/99 5' 11.5" 185 C R London OHL Link Link Link Link   30 Lind, Kole 10/16/98 6' 1.0" 176 RW R Kelowna WHL Link Link Link Link   31 Ratcliffe, Isaac 02/15/99 6' 5.5" 196 LW L Guelph OHL  Link Link Link   32 Oettinger, Jake 12/18/98 6’4 203 G L Team USA NTDP  Link Link    33 Timmins, Conor 09/18/98 6' 1.25" 185 D R Sault Ste. Marie OHL  Link Link Link   34 Jokiharju, Henri 06/17/99 5' 11.75" 176 D R Portland WHL  Link Link Link   35 Lodnia, Ivan 08/31/99 5' 10.0" 182 RW R Erie OHL  Link Link    36 Anderson-Dolan, Jaret 09/12/99 5' 11.0" 188 C L Spokane WHL  Link Link    37 Davidsson, Marcus 11/18/98 6' 0.0" 191 C L Djurgarden SWEDEN  Link Link    38 Joseph, Pierre-Olivier 07/01/99 6' 2.0" 160 D L Charlottetown QMJHL  Link Link    39 Boqvist, Jesper 10/30/98 6' 0.0" 179 C L Timra SWEDEN-2  Link Link    40 Lipanov, Alexei 08/17/99 6' 0.0" 165 C L Mvd Balashikha 2 RUSSIA-JR. Link Link Link    41 Norris, Joshua 05/05/99 6' 1.25" 192 C L Usa U-18 NTDP  Link Link Link   42 Mismash, Grant 02/19/99 6' 0.25" 186 LW L Usa U-18 NTDP  Link Link    43 DiPietro, Michael 06/09/99 6’0 191 G L Windsor OHL Link Link Link    44 Reedy, Scott 04/04/99 6' 1.5" 204 C R Usa U-18 NTDP  Link Link    45 Elvenes, Lukas 08/18/99 6' 0.5" 173 C/RW L Rogle Jr. SWEDEN-JR.  Link Link    46 Entwhistle, MacKenzie 07/14/99 6' 2.75" 180 RW R Hamilton OHL  Link Link    47 Martin, Luke 09/20/98 6' 3.75" 216 D R Michigan BIG10  Link Link    48 Robertson, Jason 07/22/99 6' 1.75" 192 LW L Kingston OHL  Link Link    49 Luukkonen, Ukko-Pekka 03/09/99 6’4 196 G L HPK U20 Liiga Jrs  Link Link    50 Salo, Robin 10/13/98 6' 0.75" 187 D L Sport FINLAND  Link Link    51 Heponiemi, Aleksi 01/09/99 5' 9.75" 147 C L Swift Current WHL  Link Link    52 Formenton, Alex 09/13/99 6' 1.0" 162 LW L London OHL  Link Link    53 Mattheos, Stelio 06/14/99 6' 0.75" 190 RW R Brandon WHL  Link Link    54 Safin, Ostap 11/02/99 6' 4.5" 191 RW L Sparta Jr. CZREP-JR.  Link Link    55 Schnarr, Nathan 02/25/99 6' 2.75" 180 C R Guelph OHL  Link Link    56 Ruzicka, Adam 05/11/99 6' 3.5" 202 C L Sarnia OHL Link Link Link    57 Farrance, David 06/23/99 5' 10.75" 189 D L Usa U-18 NTDP  Link Link    58 Frost, Morgan 05/14/99 5' 10.75" 170 C L Sault Ste. Marie OHL  Link Link    59 Chmelevski, Alexander 06/09/99 5' 11.25" 191 C R Ottawa OHL  Link Link    60 Fleury, Cale 11/19/98 6' 1.25" 203 D R Kootenay WHL  Link Link    61 Morand, Antoine 02/18/99 5' 10.0" 178 C L Acadie-Bathurst QMJHL  Link Link    62 Scott, Ian 01/11/99 6’3 166 G L Prince Albert WHL  Link Link     Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted April 30, 2017 Report Share Posted April 30, 2017 So we are drafting 8th. Miro and Makar will likely be gone. Trading down for Vesalainen looking better and better. Still like Valimaki and someone is going to get a steal in Liljigren. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted April 30, 2017 Report Share Posted April 30, 2017 I thought Vegas couldn't drop any lower than 4th no matter what, guess I was wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader1969 Posted April 30, 2017 Report Share Posted April 30, 2017 I thought Vegas couldn't drop any lower than 4th no matter what, guess I was wrong. Could be a trade option for Sabres if the guy they want is on the board at 6. Sabres have 2 2nds and 2 3rds. Extra draft picks may be what the expansion team is looking for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunomatic Posted April 30, 2017 Report Share Posted April 30, 2017 Could be a trade option for Sabres if the guy they want is on the board at 6. Sabres have 2 2nds and 2 3rds. Extra draft picks may be what the expansion team is looking for? Yes they've said teams are traditionally built through the draft and they'll be open to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted April 30, 2017 Report Share Posted April 30, 2017 Could be a trade option for Sabres if the guy they want is on the board at 6. Sabres have 2 2nds and 2 3rds. Extra draft picks may be what the expansion team is looking for? This could be a likely scenario, a pick and prospect perhaps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrico Posted April 30, 2017 Report Share Posted April 30, 2017 Why do we want to trade up in what is suppose to be a draft? Next year is suppose to be loaded. Either trade 8 as part of package for dman or trade 8 for a first next year if you can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted April 30, 2017 Report Share Posted April 30, 2017 Why do we want to trade up in what is suppose to be a ###### draft? Next year is suppose to be loaded. Either trade 8 as part of package for dman or trade 8 for a first next year if you can. Better shot at Makar or Heinesken. Â Lilligren should be there, but he did not have a great U-18. The draft lacks a true difference maker at the top, but there is some talent to be had Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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