Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted May 5, 2015 Report Share Posted May 5, 2015 With your stance on government I'd think you'd be all aboard the innocent until proven guilty train. I'm not commenting on Collins....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted May 5, 2015 Report Share Posted May 5, 2015 Chuck Pollock at the Olean Times Herald is probably the dean of Bills writers. He's pretty level headed. When he writes something like this, it gets my attention. http://www.oleantimesherald.com/sports/article_23148eca-f20f-11e4-8b96-9b806d8d9c16.html I know what he's going for, but I found that article very hard to read. When recapping the incidents he tends to jump back and forth between names a little too much. I'm curious if others had the same reaction or if I'm just slightly distracted right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanny Posted May 5, 2015 Report Share Posted May 5, 2015 I know what he's going for, but I found that article very hard to read. When recapping the incidents he tends to jump back and forth between names a little too much. I'm curious if others had the same reaction or if I'm just slightly distracted right now. "Darby, meanwhile, was the roommate of quarterback Jameis Winston, the draft’s No. 1 overall pick. He signed an affidavit in Winston’s rape case maintaining the sex with the alleged victim as consensual. But Williams refused to testify at FSU’s sexual misconduct hearing for the QB and was issued a Code of Conduct violation by the disciplinary board." He definitely meant Darby for the bolder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny DangerFace Posted May 5, 2015 Report Share Posted May 5, 2015 Near as I can tell, he was assigned Winston as a roommate and got in a car with PJ Williams. From that, we can infer that he is of dubious character. I'll bet he wears a hoodie, too. GO BILLS!!! THUG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cereal Posted May 5, 2015 Report Share Posted May 5, 2015 (edited) Apparently A.Williams, Watkins,Gray,and Woods got into some fisticuffs with each other at a Buffalo bar Saturday night. Turns out there is nothin' to see here: http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/178152-the-bickering-bills-are-back-rumor/ (Edit... Clarification: rumor unfounded per original post) Edited May 5, 2015 by Cereal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted May 5, 2015 Report Share Posted May 5, 2015 For those that are wondering what unsanctioned meant: agents weren't involved. It was just a coach and a player. A random meeting based on a phone call Rex made directly to Collins. On Darby: he apparently witnessed the sexual act that was the accused rape/sexual assault by Winston. Him refusing to testify is pretty low, but I don't think it means it's a character flaw unless it was clear rape. If Darby truly did witness a rape and did nothing and later refused to testify then I will never root for him. But we'll never know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted May 5, 2015 Report Share Posted May 5, 2015 Turns out there is nothin' to see here: http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/178152-the-bickering-bills-are-back-rumor/ Good to hear. I'd rather they were getting into it with other people and have each other's backs than fighting amongst themselves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted May 5, 2015 Report Share Posted May 5, 2015 (edited) I know what he's going for, but I found that article very hard to read. When recapping the incidents he tends to jump back and forth between names a little too much. I'm curious if others had the same reaction or if I'm just slightly distracted right now. I'm with you. Guy may be the dean of Bills beat writers, but maybe it's time to hang 'em up if you can't put together a coherent series of thoughts. Turns out there is nothin' to see here: http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/178152-the-bickering-bills-are-back-rumor/ Against my better judgment, I clicked through. I'm not sure where the resolution of the rumour appears, and I'm done looking (or giving a rat's rear-end about anything that gets posted over there). Edit: I see it now - it's an edit to the initial post. The guy said he'd take down the thread if he found out the rumors were unfounded, but instead he left it up and withdrew the claim. It's been years since I was at the TBD site -- and this sort of stuff reminds me why I never go there. Edited May 5, 2015 by That Aud Smell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cereal Posted May 5, 2015 Report Share Posted May 5, 2015 Against my better judgment, I clicked through. I'm not sure where the resolution of the rumour appears, and I'm done looking (or giving a rat's rear-end about anything that gets posted over there). Edit: I see it now - it's an edit to the initial post. The guy said he'd take down the thread if he found out the rumors were unfounded, but instead he left it up and withdrew the claim. It's been years since I was at the TBD site -- and this sort of stuff reminds me why I never go there. I edited my original post above... Yeah, TBD is phenomenal for getting up-to-the-second news. But, if you're trying to follow a discussion on TBD, you need to be following it constantly or you'll be left behind. Or if you are away from the website for 24 hours, it's tough to catch up. That's why this thread here on SS is generally good.... we have been good about at least making mention of the big headlines regarding the Bills, without pages of muck if I need to catch up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted May 5, 2015 Report Share Posted May 5, 2015 I wish we had these things called trials in the US to decide if someone is guilty of murder or not. Well I suppose we do have trail by popular opinion. Not sure if this is in direct response to me but I'll act like it was. I'm not judging him or the Bills, I just want to know who is. If the Bills want to handle this like a business without thought of PR value, it's on them. I just found it curious they chose to be the front runners on a guy who could be implicated in the murder of a pregnant woman. Guilty or not, the stench won't dissipate quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted May 5, 2015 Report Share Posted May 5, 2015 Not sure if this is in direct response to me but I'll act like it was. I'm not judging him or the Bills, I just want to know who is. If the Bills want to handle this like a business without thought of PR value, it's on them. I just found it curious they chose to be the front runners on a guy who could be implicated in the murder of a pregnant woman. Guilty or not, the stench won't dissipate quickly. It wasn't but how many people think negatively of the Patriot's for the Aaron Hernandez stuff? Also I feel like the Bills are trying to recreate the movie, The Longest Yard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted May 5, 2015 Report Share Posted May 5, 2015 It wasn't but how many people think negatively of the Patriot's for the Aaron Hernandez stuff? Also I feel like the Bills are trying to recreate the movie, The Longest Yard. Hernandez was and has always been a bad citizen but the court of public opinion didn't waver much until he started killing people (ok so at least when everyone noticed he was killing people). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted May 5, 2015 Report Share Posted May 5, 2015 Hernandez was and has always been a bad citizen but the court of public opinion didn't waver much until he started killing people (ok so at least when everyone noticed he was killing people). And still no one was really outraged at the Patriots. I guess the point is I think Collins is worth the risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny DangerFace Posted May 5, 2015 Report Share Posted May 5, 2015 who is mad at the cowboys for greg hardy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted May 5, 2015 Report Share Posted May 5, 2015 If the Bills want to handle this like a business without thought of PR value, it's on them. . . . Guilty or not, the stench won't dissipate quickly. It's the NFL, man -- I don't think there'll be any "stench" for having tried to be first in line to sign an elite prospect who had a cloud of serious legal trouble hanging over his head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted May 5, 2015 Report Share Posted May 5, 2015 It's the NFL, man -- I don't think there'll be any "stench" for having tried to be first in line to sign an elite prospect who had a cloud of serious legal trouble hanging over his head. Good thing he didn't kill any dogs. People are strange. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted May 5, 2015 Report Share Posted May 5, 2015 Good thing he didn't kill any dogs. People are strange. At the moment he hasn't killed anything. Really not sure what you're trying to prove. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted May 5, 2015 Report Share Posted May 5, 2015 At the moment he hasn't killed anything. Really not sure what you're trying to prove. I wanted to gauge where we, as a fan base were with the Bills associating themselves with a potential murderer. It seems like nobody gives a . Cool. I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted May 5, 2015 Report Share Posted May 5, 2015 I wanted to gauge where we, as a fan base were with the Bills associating themselves with a potential murderer. It seems like nobody gives a ######. Cool. I guess. Again, what is the problem? At the moment he is no more guilty than you or me. You're as much of a "potential murderer" as this kid who has yet to be implicated, much less charged. Your assumption of his involvement, not to mention his guilt, is just weird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted May 5, 2015 Report Share Posted May 5, 2015 I wanted to gauge where we, as a fan base were with the Bills associating themselves with a potential murderer. It seems like nobody gives a ######. Cool. I guess. I just don't think there's anywhere close to enough information out there to even make a preliminary judgment on guilt/innocence. If/when a bunch of evidence starts leaking that points in his direction, then it's a different ballgame even without a conviction. But we're not even at that point yet. I'm not exactly cool with it, but I'm not sure treating him lime he has the plague is a great option either. Think about if the guy is completely innocent...he just lost millions of dollars because teams were scared by a past association. It's just a situation all the way around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted May 5, 2015 Report Share Posted May 5, 2015 Again, what is the problem? At the moment he is no more guilty than you or me. You're as much of a "potential murderer" as this kid who has yet to be implicated, much less charged. OJ was innocent too. So were Ray Lewis and Big Ben. Turns out they are all scumbags. My focus was never on the kids guilt. I was just curious how we felt about the Bills interest in him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted May 5, 2015 Report Share Posted May 5, 2015 Tanking. Now stanking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted May 5, 2015 Report Share Posted May 5, 2015 (edited) OJ was innocent too. So were Ray Lewis and Big Ben. Turns out they are all scumbags. My focus was never on the kids guilt. I was just curious how we felt about the Bills interest in him. They were all suspects. I think Dark is waiting on that before hopping on the train you're on. As am I. Edited May 5, 2015 by Hoss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted May 5, 2015 Report Share Posted May 5, 2015 Tanking. Now stanking. No stench. He's innocent. Just another guy getting questioned about a murder. Happens to me all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calti Posted May 5, 2015 Report Share Posted May 5, 2015 OJ was innocent too. So were Ray Lewis and Big Ben. Turns out they are all scumbags. My focus was never on the kids guilt. I was just curious how we felt about the Bills interest in him. wellll.....I think we have to first see whether he really did it or not. we know the 3 above mentioned scum did it even though they are 'innocent' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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