TrueBlueGED Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 Well, then you're really going to be happy this morning. I just looked. So rather than wasting a roster spot on a kickoff specialist, we have opted to waste one on a bad backup kicker? Why are sports teams so stupid sometimes :wallbash: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thwomp! Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 I just looked. So rather than wasting a roster spot on a kickoff specialist, we have opted to waste one on a bad backup kicker? Why are sports teams so stupid sometimes :wallbash: Yeah, after reading eleven's teaser I had way higher hopes than that. :( Especially since we still have 2 kickers! And somehow we managed to downgrade our 2 kicker situation imo :doh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 I just looked. So rather than wasting a roster spot on a kickoff specialist, we have opted to waste one on a bad backup kicker? Why are sports teams so stupid sometimes :wallbash: Well, to be fair, 12 other teams have made the same mistake. One team did it twice. That's right, the Bills are Cundiff's THIRTEENTH team. A kicker who can get touch backs consistently is really important And you want Dixon for special teams. Apparently it's not that important after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 Well, to be fair, 12 other teams have made the same mistake. One team did it twice. That's right, the Bills are Cundiff's THIRTEENTH team. Apparently it's not that important after all. 12 other teams just means he was in high demand! Right?!?! ... No? :cry: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny DangerFace Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 Apparently it's not that important after all. How do you figure? Isn't cundiff still our second kicker. I think this is more of putting carpenter on notice. And come on, touch backs aren't important? You should look up average return yards and kickoff opportunities. Bills have ranked pretty high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 How do you figure? Isn't cundiff still our second kicker. I think this is more of putting carpenter on notice. And come on, touch backs aren't important? You should look up average return yards and kickoff opportunities. Bills have ranked pretty high. What I'm saying is, by eschewing Gay for Cundiff, whose touchback percentage is not good (see link below), the Bills are demonstrating that it's not important to them. http://www.nfl.com/player/billycundiff/2504941/profile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 Who f'n cares about kickers.Stop handing the other team 14+ points a game because Rex can't get his players to act like grown-ups and we don't even know our kicker's name! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 Who f'n cares about kickers.Stop handing the other team 14+ points a game because Rex can't get his players to act like grown-ups and we don't even know our kicker's name! I thought you were done with the NFL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dEnnis the Menace Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 Odell fined at least $9K per ESPN report for some punches thrown. Apparently some the Defense wasn't lying about him throwing haymakers. still doesn't make it right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 (edited) Odell fined at least $9K per ESPN report for some punches thrown. Apparently some the Defense wasn't lying about him throwing haymakers. still doesn't make it right. I guess Tom Coughlin doesn't know how to get his players under control either. What a bum coach. :angel: Edited October 7, 2015 by TrueBlueGED Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 I thought you were done with the NFL? I'm done caring. It's just yet another reason to drink and go camping in a parking lot, again,... sigh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 The fact that Cundiff has been passed around like a bottle of Crown doesn't mean he can't do the job for us. Kickers in the NFL. They're bigger head cases than NHL goalies. Carpenter was lights out, until he wasn't. Cundiff was the league's best kicker in 2010. It appears he has the lowest FG made % of any active kicker, btw. Rank Player (age), + - HOFer, Bold - Active FG% Years Teams 1. Dan Bailey (27) 90.226% 2011-2015 dal 2. Justin Tucker (25) 89.916% 2012-2015 rav 3. Stephen Gostkowski (31) 87.108% 2006-2015 nwe 4. Steven Hauschka (30) 86.335% 2008-2015 3TM 5. Robbie Gould (33) 86.007% 2005-2015 chi 6. Matt Bryant (40) 85.630% 2002-2015 5TM 7. Shayne Graham (37) 85.531% 2001-2014 10T 8. Connor Barth (29) 85.294% 2008-2014 3TM 9. Dan Carpenter (29) 84.322% 2008-2015 2TM 10. Phil Dawson (40) 84.138% 1999-2015 2TM 11. Shaun Suisham (33) 84.064% 2005-2014 3TM 12. Blair Walsh (25) 83.784% 2012-2015 min 13. Adam Vinatieri (42) 83.507% 1996-2015 2TM 14. Josh Brown (36) 83.237% 2003-2015 4TM 15. Jay Feely (39) 82.587% 2001-2014 6TM 16. Ryan Succop (29) 81.871% 2009-2015 2TM 17. Garrett Hartley (29) 81.731% 2008-2014 2TM 18. Matt Prater (31) 81.683% 2007-2015 3TM 19. Nick Novak (34) 81.081% 2005-2015 5TM 20. Sebastian Janikowski (37) 80.477% 2000-2015 rai 21. Mike Nugent (33) 80.417% 2005-2015 4TM 22. Nick Folk (30) 80.392% 2007-2015 2TM 23. Josh Scobee (33) 80.066% 2004-2015 2TM 24. Mason Crosby (31) 79.348% 2007-2015 gnb 25. Graham Gano (28) 78.659% 2009-2015 2TM 26. Billy Cundiff (35) 76.151% 2002-2014 5TM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny DangerFace Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 What I'm saying is, by eschewing Gay for Cundiff, whose touchback percentage is not good (see link below), the Bills are demonstrating that it's not important to them. http://www.nfl.com/player/billycundiff/2504941/profile I would argue having two kickers period says that kickoff length is clearly important to them. I see your point but disagree. Plus we don't know what cundiff was told to do on previous teams. The links not working but also his stats may be be skewed with years pre-kickoff yard change. But again, I don't think you can argue a team that has used kickoff specialists, and still has two kickers, doesn't think having a good kickoff kicker is valuable. I think that's pretty clear. Also, it's clearly an important stat, so it would be way more concerning if the bills didn't value it. Starting field position is extremely valuable, and don't see the argument against that. A guaranteed touchback is guaranteeing the other team starting at the 20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 The fact that Cundiff has been passed around like a bottle of Crown doesn't mean he can't do the job for us. Kickers in the NFL. They're bigger head cases than NHL goalies. Carpenter was lights out, until he wasn't. Cundiff was the league's best kicker in 2010. It appears he has the lowest FG made % of any active kicker, btw. Rank Player (age), + - HOFer, Bold - Active FG% Years Teams 1. Dan Bailey (27) 90.226% 2011-2015 dal 2. Justin Tucker (25) 89.916% 2012-2015 rav 3. Stephen Gostkowski (31) 87.108% 2006-2015 nwe 4. Steven Hauschka (30) 86.335% 2008-2015 3TM 5. Robbie Gould (33) 86.007% 2005-2015 chi 6. Matt Bryant (40) 85.630% 2002-2015 5TM 7. Shayne Graham (37) 85.531% 2001-2014 10T 8. Connor Barth (29) 85.294% 2008-2014 3TM 9. Dan Carpenter (29) 84.322% 2008-2015 2TM 10. Phil Dawson (40) 84.138% 1999-2015 2TM 11. Shaun Suisham (33) 84.064% 2005-2014 3TM 12. Blair Walsh (25) 83.784% 2012-2015 min 13. Adam Vinatieri (42) 83.507% 1996-2015 2TM 14. Josh Brown (36) 83.237% 2003-2015 4TM 15. Jay Feely (39) 82.587% 2001-2014 6TM 16. Ryan Succop (29) 81.871% 2009-2015 2TM 17. Garrett Hartley (29) 81.731% 2008-2014 2TM 18. Matt Prater (31) 81.683% 2007-2015 3TM 19. Nick Novak (34) 81.081% 2005-2015 5TM 20. Sebastian Janikowski (37) 80.477% 2000-2015 rai 21. Mike Nugent (33) 80.417% 2005-2015 4TM 22. Nick Folk (30) 80.392% 2007-2015 2TM 23. Josh Scobee (33) 80.066% 2004-2015 2TM 24. Mason Crosby (31) 79.348% 2007-2015 gnb 25. Graham Gano (28) 78.659% 2009-2015 2TM 26. Billy Cundiff (35) 76.151% 2002-2014 5TM That makes me think he is, in fact, highly unlikely to do the job well for us even if it's technically possible. Cutting Carpenter for him, if it happens, would be the height of stupidity and short-range thinking. Carpenter's worst career season is just a hair below Cundiff's career average. There's no good reason to make the switch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 That makes me think he is, in fact, highly unlikely to do the job well for us even if it's technically possible. Cutting Carpenter for him, if it happens, would be the height of stupidity and short-range thinking. Carpenter's worst career season is just a hair below Cundiff's career average. There's no good reason to make the switch. My thinking began to evolve as I posted the stats. My larger point is that kickers as a group appear uniquely vulnerable to hot and cold streaks. Except for the really good ones. They stay steady. Which is why some remain employed well into their 40s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 The fact that Cundiff has been passed around like a bottle of Crown doesn't mean he can't do the job for us. Kickers in the NFL. They're bigger head cases than NHL goalies. Carpenter was lights out, until he wasn't. Cundiff was the league's best kicker in 2010. It appears he has the lowest FG made % of any active kicker, btw. Rank Player (age), + - HOFer, Bold - Active FG% Years Teams 1. Dan Bailey (27) 90.226% 2011-2015 dal 2. Justin Tucker (25) 89.916% 2012-2015 rav 3. Stephen Gostkowski (31) 87.108% 2006-2015 nwe 4. Steven Hauschka (30) 86.335% 2008-2015 3TM 5. Robbie Gould (33) 86.007% 2005-2015 chi 6. Matt Bryant (40) 85.630% 2002-2015 5TM 7. Shayne Graham (37) 85.531% 2001-2014 10T 8. Connor Barth (29) 85.294% 2008-2014 3TM 9. Dan Carpenter (29) 84.322% 2008-2015 2TM 10. Phil Dawson (40) 84.138% 1999-2015 2TM 11. Shaun Suisham (33) 84.064% 2005-2014 3TM 12. Blair Walsh (25) 83.784% 2012-2015 min 13. Adam Vinatieri (42) 83.507% 1996-2015 2TM 14. Josh Brown (36) 83.237% 2003-2015 4TM 15. Jay Feely (39) 82.587% 2001-2014 6TM 16. Ryan Succop (29) 81.871% 2009-2015 2TM 17. Garrett Hartley (29) 81.731% 2008-2014 2TM 18. Matt Prater (31) 81.683% 2007-2015 3TM 19. Nick Novak (34) 81.081% 2005-2015 5TM 20. Sebastian Janikowski (37) 80.477% 2000-2015 rai 21. Mike Nugent (33) 80.417% 2005-2015 4TM 22. Nick Folk (30) 80.392% 2007-2015 2TM 23. Josh Scobee (33) 80.066% 2004-2015 2TM 24. Mason Crosby (31) 79.348% 2007-2015 gnb 25. Graham Gano (28) 78.659% 2009-2015 2TM 26. Billy Cundiff (35) 76.151% 2002-2014 5TM There are 26 active kickers in the NFL? :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksndmonster Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 Odell fined at least $9K per ESPN report for some punches thrown. Apparently some the Defense wasn't lying about him throwing haymakers. still doesn't make it right.Assuming it happened in that scrum at the end, I wouldn't blame him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dEnnis the Menace Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 Assuming it happened in that scrum at the end, I wouldn't blame him. No prior. Two other instances from what I read via multiple Twitter feeds. He apparently also initiated that scrum at the end per a fw of the Bills players, but I don't know if I take stock in that or not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPie Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 There are 26 active kickers in the NFL? :unsure: My guess is there are a few rookies that haven't kicked enough to be statistically relevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 There are 26 active kickers in the NFL? :unsure: My guess is there are a few rookies that haven't kicked enough to be statistically relevant. I think that's right. I also think there are non-rostered guys like Cundiff on that list because they're still kicking around (so to speak). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 My thinking began to evolve as I posted the stats. My larger point is that kickers as a group appear uniquely vulnerable to hot and cold streaks. Except for the really good ones. They stay steady. Which is why some remain employed well into their 40s. I think that's right, which is even more reason not to do anything rash. Carpenter has missed twice this year, once from 30 (yea, bad) but the other miss was from 50+ (where he has also made two). Yet, it seems like the Bills are at Defcon 1 here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 Ignore the write up because the author clearly wrote this for the sole purpose of clearing ODB's name, but the bottom shows the video of ODB's clear punch on Duke Williams. http://thebiglead.com/2015/10/06/bills-are-whining-about-odell-beckham-throwing-multiple-punches-video-suggests-otherwise/ The author calls it a forearm shiver but both GIFs show that it was a punch to the facemask. Williams didn't respond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 I hope it is nothing more than an injury with Carpenter. Nothing fuglier than a kicker with a case of the yipps. It happens and they are never heard from again. GO BILLS!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 I hope it is nothing more than an injury with Carpenter. Nothing fuglier than a kicker with a case of the yipps. It happens and they are never heard from again. GO BILLS!!! I think a yippy Dan Carpenter is still better than a normal Billy Cundiff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 I thought you were done with the NFL?I thought it was the refs fault. :unsure: Being a fan is hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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