That Aud Smell Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 They are. So, by walking away, rather than being punted, he left $4MM of Kim Pegula's money on the table. St. Doug is nothing if not chivalrous. This is a fair funking point. He almost certainly saved the team money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 They are. So, by walking away, rather than being punted, he left $4MM of Kim Pegula's money on the table. St. Doug is nothing if not chivalrous. I also think I've read that TP was willing to give him an extension -- just not as long as Marrone wanted. So if TP was willing to give him an additional year at, say $5MM -- that's $9MM he left on the table, minus whatever he's getting paid in Jacksonville. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted January 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 I also think I've read that TP was willing to give him an extension -- just not as long as Marrone wanted. So if TP was willing to give him an additional year at, say $5MM -- that's $9MM he left on the table, minus whatever he's getting paid in Jacksonville. Good point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 (edited) I have a suggestion to fix the Bills franchise QB problem. Terry, when you read this, please consider the following suggestion: Hire as consultants Jim Kelly, Fran Tarkenton and Joe Montana. Have them form a tiger team specifically to evaluate this year's QB draft class. I chose these guys for two reasons. One, I don't think they are tied down to a current 9-5 job. And two, who better to understand what it takes to be a HOF QB than these guys. Have them travel to and interview these kids. Find us the next Tom Brady or Kurt Warner hanging out in the second-fourth rounds. Make the selection of a franchise QB job 1 now that you have settled on a coach and settled for a GM. Cast as wide a net as possible from Texas to the CFL. Have them evaluate the draft class and bring the scouting staff three names. Draft two of them. If Tom Brady or Kurt Warner is not hiding in this year's class, have them come back next year and do it again. Edited January 21, 2015 by wjag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Daddy Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 But you won't know if you have a Brady after one year. And Kelly, Tarkenton and Montana aren't flawless scouts, or scouts at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 I shouldn't be, but I am disappointed that the nuance I see here on the Marrone departure is nowhere to be found among the local media. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Nicely done, Buffalo Ruse: http://www.buffaloruse.com/sports/doug-marrone-blames-patriots-for-deflating-his-balls-too/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spndnchz Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Wonderful news for the Kellys and Bills Mafia. Jim Kelly saw the Docs again today and no signs of cancer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 (edited) Nicely done, Buffalo Ruse: http://www.buffaloru...-his-balls-too/ "rest assured Buffalo, I’ve got two hot-air-fu#*in-ballons down here" edit: now THERE's some nuance. Edited January 21, 2015 by That Aud Smell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 But you won't know if you have a Brady after one year. And Kelly, Tarkenton and Montana aren't flawless scouts, or scouts at all. True.. however Our scouts HAVE demonstrated they don't know a QB when they see one. I would take the advice over three HOF QBS over the scouts that Buffalo has hired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 True.. however Our scouts HAVE demonstrated they don't know a QB when they see one. I would take the advice over three HOF QBS over the scouts that Buffalo has hired. Kelly pined for Tim Tebow. Just sayin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Kelly pined for Tim Tebow. Just sayin. Seriously???? That is why I want three, to normalize out that ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Seriously???? That is why I want three, to normalize out that ... I think there's a reasonable chance he was just pandering to the fan base because Tebow was wanted by many at the time, plus Kelly historically publicly loves every crappy QB we roll out. But it did happen. I'd love to get him off the record to see what he really thinks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 I think there's a reasonable chance he was just pandering to the fan base because Tebow was wanted by many at the time, plus Kelly historically publicly loves every crappy QB we roll out. But it did happen. I'd love to get him off the record to see what he really thinks. The Kelly's also pump religion every chance they get, so that likely played a huge role in his Tebow love. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 The Kelly's also pump religion every chance they get, so that likely played a huge role in his Tebow love. Tarkenton would have fixed that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 (edited) Tarkenton would have fixed that. Maybe. Good players don't always make good managers/consultants. Things like what you're suggesting don't happen (probably for good reason). It's kind of like whistling. I can whistle with the best of em. I have no clue how to teach somebkdy how to whistle that doesn't know and it's confusing to me that certain people can and others can't. Edited January 21, 2015 by Tank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Maybe. Good players don't always make good managers/consultants. Things like what you're suggesting don't happen (probably for good reason). It's kind of like whistling. I can whistle with the best of em. I have no clue how to teach somebkdy how to whistle that doesn't know and it's confusing to me that certain people can and others can't. I chose my list carefully. If you have ever heard Fran Tarkenton talk about what characteristics it takes to be a good QB, he leaves you with a distinct impression he knows who has "it" and who doesn't. Kelly knows the Bills, Buffalo and the weather. Montana knows what it is like to be under appreciated when he came out and turned out to be one of the greatest QBs of all time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I am Defecting Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Seriously, trade Spiller. He's not as fast as advertised, and his vision, balance, and decision making are below average. Still a stud, but not a bull. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom webster Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 True.. however Our scouts HAVE demonstrated they don't know a QB when they see one. I would take the advice over three HOF QBS over the scouts that Buffalo has hired. If there was a way to know for sure, it would have been developed years ago. Bill Walsh thought Trent Edwards would be a star and was one of 32 guys who passed on Tom Brady 5 times and one of 9 guys who drafted another QB that year before Brady was drafted. Drew Brees was a 2nd round pick, Russel Wilson a third round pick. The list goes on and on. If there was a QB whisperer, he would be pulling down millions per year as a consultant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 If there was a way to know for sure, it would have been developed years ago. Bill Walsh thought Trent Edwards would be a star and was one of 32 guys who passed on Tom Brady 5 times and one of 9 guys who drafted another QB that year before Brady was drafted. Drew Brees was a 2nd round pick, Russel Wilson a third round pick. The list goes on and on. If there was a QB whisperer, he would be pulling down millions per year as a consultant. I'm not disputing that. All I know is what Buffalo has done has failed since 1986. They have to try something different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calti Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 ...true about Bill walsh.........But anyone who saw EJ play in college knew the score..--didn't take a QB whisperer for that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 We drafted EJ Manuel in round 1.... our QB scouts are ###### idiots. I hear we are looking at Blake Sims and Bryce Petty. Both players not worthy of IMPO of 2nd round selections. Too many question marks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 We drafted EJ Manuel in round 1.... our QB scouts are ###### idiots. We took a calculated risk on the best physical prospect in a QB-weak draft -- a time where Buddy Nix was surreptitiously recorded saying to another league exec it was a "bad time to need" a QB. So, yes - those scouts and execs are all idiots. :huh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 At least for me, QB is by far the hardest to identify coming out of college. I go back to JP Losman and Trent Edwards. I was convinced Edwards would be as good as Fergy by the end of it. JP was a tool, nice kid, but people fell in love with his skill. He could move, and he had a stronger arm than Kelly. I saw him throw 50 yard perfect spirals into a 30MPH wind at The Ralph on a December afternoon. No wonder they bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 At least for me, QB is by far the hardest to identify coming out of college. I think that's true in general. This season's Super Bowl offers a strange case study, a third-rounder and a sixth-rounder. It occurs to me: Do lower-round guys more commonly become elite players in the NFL than they do in the NHL? Sorta seems maybe that's the case. Or perhaps this year's SB is just skewing my perspective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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