nfreeman Posted July 16, 2021 Report Share Posted July 16, 2021 8 minutes ago, Thwomp! said: This is stupid unless they are overcompensated for doing so. Or unless they don't think whomever they lose is much of a player, and they are proven right about him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted July 16, 2021 Report Share Posted July 16, 2021 10 minutes ago, Thwomp! said: This is stupid unless they are overcompensated for doing so. If no one wants him for a reasonable price before the expansion draft, for the exact same reason we could say it’s stupid to trade him right after, then there is only so much you can do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted July 16, 2021 Report Share Posted July 16, 2021 Chad’s input would point to a team with 3 D already protected. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasmus_ Posted July 16, 2021 Report Share Posted July 16, 2021 I want Ristolainen gone first. Get a 2nd if possible and move him. Just get him out the door. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted July 16, 2021 Report Share Posted July 16, 2021 I don’t think there should be any big surprise that Risto is more valuable after the trade freeze. I also think that Will Borgen is nowhere near the top of the list of the best players who will be available in the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted July 16, 2021 Report Share Posted July 16, 2021 7 minutes ago, dudacek said: I don’t think there should be any big surprise that Risto is more valuable after the trade freeze. I also think that Will Borgen is nowhere near the top of the list of the best players who will be available in the draft. But is Will Borgen among the top players the Sabres will have exposed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted July 16, 2021 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, dudacek said: I don’t think there should be any big surprise that Risto is more valuable after the trade freeze. I also think that Will Borgen is nowhere near the top of the list of the best players who will be available in the draft. We are forgetting that Colin Miller has better metrics and playoff experience, is over a million dollars cheaper than Risto and could be flipped by Seattle at the trade deadline. Depending on what the return is for Risto it might be worthwhile to offer Montreal’s 3rd to take Miller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dudacek Posted July 16, 2021 Report Share Posted July 16, 2021 6 minutes ago, inkman said: But is Will Borgen among the top players the Sabres will have exposed? Yes. Probably the guy I’d take if I was them, although as Brawndo says, a very good case could be made for Miller, or even Girgensons. The expansion draft is designed to rob each team of its 11th-best player. I like Borgen, hope he stays. But he’s a replaceable part. I’m not too upset about us giving up a player who will likely never be among any team’s top 10 ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrico Posted July 16, 2021 Report Share Posted July 16, 2021 On 7/15/2021 at 8:45 AM, LGR4GM said: That is who I want. Matthews, Marner, Tavares and Nylander get all of the accolades but that guy is the heart and soul of their team. Always engaged and has some underrated skill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted July 16, 2021 Report Share Posted July 16, 2021 1 minute ago, Derrico said: That is who I want. Matthews, Marner, Tavares and Nylander get all of the accolades but that guy is the heart and soul of their team. Always engaged and has some underrated skill. Yes -- I hope the Sabres pursue him. He's a good player and he's tough and fast. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted July 16, 2021 Report Share Posted July 16, 2021 If Philly offered Nolan Patrick + a 2nd/3rd for Risto would you take it? I would imagine most would say yes because they want Risto gone but how would you judge the trade? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted July 16, 2021 Report Share Posted July 16, 2021 2 hours ago, Taro T said: Still have a bit of time before the roster freeze sets in. But GMs understanding the process better probably is dampening some of the trade enthusiasm relative to prior to Vegas. Unless a team gets close to full value for their 8th F, 4th D, or 2nd G; sending them out essentially loses the team 2 players rather than just 1. Nobody wants to be Florida's nor Minny's GM. Trades with Seattle can also happen after the roster freeze 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted July 16, 2021 Report Share Posted July 16, 2021 2 hours ago, Thwomp! said: Isn't it weird how few expansion draft trades there have been? It seems prior to the Vagas draft that trades were fast and furious. There are likely trades we don’t know about. A few teams made deals with Vegas at the trade deadline before their expansion offseason and nobody knew. But also: teams learned from the massive Vegas mistakes, it appears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted July 16, 2021 Report Share Posted July 16, 2021 9 minutes ago, thewookie1 said: If Philly offered Nolan Patrick + a 2nd/3rd for Risto would you take it? I would imagine most would say yes because they want Risto gone but how would you judge the trade? I would judge it as getting a former 2nd overall pick, whose career has been hampered by migraine issues which can hopefully get sorted out, for one season of Risto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-90 W Posted July 16, 2021 Report Share Posted July 16, 2021 20 minutes ago, thewookie1 said: If Philly offered Nolan Patrick + a 2nd/3rd for Risto would you take it? I would imagine most would say yes because they want Risto gone but how would you judge the trade? High skill and high ceiling but too many ifs. Would rather have a more reliable piece coming back. That trade could be brilliant of course but really no way to know how it would pan out. Way too many medical issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hoss Posted July 16, 2021 Report Share Posted July 16, 2021 Goes on to say Boston, Nashville, LA and Montreal will be among the contenders for him, as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthEbriate Posted July 16, 2021 Report Share Posted July 16, 2021 Red 10: We should be able to see it a trade by now. Red Leader: Keep your eyes open for those transactions. Red 10: There's too much interference! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digger Posted July 16, 2021 Report Share Posted July 16, 2021 2 hours ago, thewookie1 said: If Philly offered Nolan Patrick + a 2nd/3rd for Risto would you take it? I would imagine most would say yes because they want Risto gone but how would you judge the trade? Yes I would take that trade (2nd and Nolan Patrick for Risto). But I think Philly still wants to try and get another young player in return for Patrick in return similar to what we did with Alex Nylander. Patrick would be an interesting player to see if Granato could have some success with him and get him back on track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thwomp! Posted July 16, 2021 Report Share Posted July 16, 2021 If we protect Risto for someone, Borgen gets added to the trade going out. It's gonna look a lot less great and I'm not convinced we're getting much for Risto anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Thwomp! Posted July 17, 2021 Report Share Posted July 17, 2021 53 minutes ago, Brawndo said: Trade Boston's 2nd for Dunn, protect him, let Seattle choose between Risto, Borgen, Z, and Ullmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted July 17, 2021 Report Share Posted July 17, 2021 22 hours ago, Thwomp! said: Isn't it weird how few expansion draft trades there have been? It seems prior to the Vagas draft that trades were fast and furious. Teams don't want to get bent over a barrel again like last time 22 hours ago, Curt said: Gotta make sure you take a Rasmus with the draft pick too, we have quotas to keep up after all. We'd actually net gain in that scenario Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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