Pimlach Posted July 8, 2021 Report Share Posted July 8, 2021 12 hours ago, dudacek said: I think Jack Eichel’s health status is one of the most overplayed factors in this whole scenario. If NHL teams didn’t think it was likely Jack was going to get healthy, they wouldn’t be having serious talks about him, period. Jack’s health status IS the issue, it is why we’re are in this discussion, and it drives everything when you try determine what is a fair trade. We can dream of getting a windfall of players, picks, and prospects but all the other GMs have already expressed concern about the risk. This is a $10M per year player. If you want that windfall then the trade happens after Jack plays and shows he is recovered. Until then the other GMs are looking for a discount and playing the health risk card. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted July 8, 2021 Report Share Posted July 8, 2021 Michael Russo of the Athletic mentioned that the Wild are one of the teams Ok with Him having surgery 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted July 8, 2021 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2021 20 minutes ago, Brawndo said: Michael Russo of the Athletic mentioned that the Wild are one of the teams Ok with Him having surgery I can haz Marco Rossi?!??!??? 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted July 8, 2021 Report Share Posted July 8, 2021 28 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: I can haz Marco Rossi?!??!??? It says Michael Russo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted July 8, 2021 Report Share Posted July 8, 2021 1 hour ago, LGR4GM said: I can haz Marco Rossi?!??!??? Krill has put Guerin into a bit of a spot and Karmanos/Ventura would know His Strengths or more importantly His Weaknesses in a negotiation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalonill Posted July 8, 2021 Report Share Posted July 8, 2021 The wild Shouldn't do this with Kirill Kaprizov leaving in 2 years . Hell if I was the wild I would trade Kirill Kaprizov today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted July 8, 2021 Report Share Posted July 8, 2021 2 hours ago, Pimlach said: Why would they do this? Jack is injured and he doesn’t fit what they do or how they do it. I don't think the injury matters all that much tbh. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted July 8, 2021 Report Share Posted July 8, 2021 8 minutes ago, Huckleberry said: I don't think the injury matters all that much tbh. If you don’t believe Jack will fully recover, you aren’t bidding on him. If you do, you’re in for a penny, in for a pound. For the teams that are in, it’s a lever to try and lower the price, that’s it. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted July 8, 2021 Report Share Posted July 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, dudacek said: If you don’t believe Jack will fully recover, you aren’t bidding on him. If you do, you’re in for a penny, in for a pound. For the teams that are in, it’s a lever to try and lower the price, that’s it. That is our view, most teams know he 'll recover, right now its a bidding war for a few more days. Adams trying to get as much out of it as he can in my view. The 6 pieces mentioned he won't get , but he should get 4 at least. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimlach Posted July 8, 2021 Report Share Posted July 8, 2021 58 minutes ago, Huckleberry said: I don't think the injury matters all that much tbh. The injury matters to the opposing GMs. It is a key for them to give up as little as possible. They are all going to do it. KA has to hang tough and not make a stupid trade. There is no problem with keeping Jack. If he returns to his past levels of performance then a trade can be revisited. We cannot give away our best player because of a self imposed timeline. See ROR trade. 5 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted July 8, 2021 Report Share Posted July 8, 2021 Just now, Pimlach said: The injury matters to the opposing GMs. It is a key for them to give up as little as possible. They are all going to do it. KA has to hang tough and not make a stupid trade. There is no problem with keeping Jack. If he returns to his past levels of performance then a trade can be revisited. We cannot give away our best player because of a self imposed timeline. See ROR trade. This is the crux of it. I believe Jack is not part of Adams plans for the fall; he wants a room similar to what Donnie finished the season with, with lots of space for kids to bond and grow. His goal is almost certainly to trade Jack prior to the draft, or at least the opening days of free agency. After that, the market will shrink. The question is, can he leverage a good deal by the deadline, and if he can’t will he pull the trigger anyways? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted July 8, 2021 Report Share Posted July 8, 2021 Friedman on the 31 Thoughts Podcast Today mentioned he is hearing that the Eichel Trade won’t happen until after the expansion draft and that Vegas is stiffing around. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimlach Posted July 8, 2021 Report Share Posted July 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, dudacek said: This is the crux of it. I believe Jack is not part of Adams plans for the fall; he wants a room similar to what Donnie finished the season with, with lots of space for kids to bond and grow. His goal is almost certainly to trade Jack prior to the draft, or at least the opening days of free agency. After that, the market will shrink. The question is, can he leverage a good deal by the deadline, and if he can’t will he pull the trigger anyways? Yes. I would even say if he can’t get a good deal should he pull the trigger anyways? My vote is no. Set a minimum required and stick to it, especially if you think he will be healthy again. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted July 8, 2021 Report Share Posted July 8, 2021 Just now, Brawndo said: Friedman on the 31 Thoughts Podcast Today mentioned he is hearing that the Eichel Trade won’t happen until after the expansion draft and that Vegas is stiffing around. So he's still convinced it will happen then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrico Posted July 8, 2021 Report Share Posted July 8, 2021 2 hours ago, Brawndo said: Krill has put Guerin into a bit of a spot and Karmanos/Ventura would know His Strengths or more importantly His Weaknesses in a negotiation. Every time I see Brawndo posts in this thread my heart skips a beat. Cup has now been awarded. If a deal 95% close to complete, and they were pretty much waiting so as not to steal attention from the finals, how long until it gets completed? This weekend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted July 8, 2021 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2021 6 minutes ago, Derrico said: Every time I see Brawndo posts in this thread my heart skips a beat. Cup has now been awarded. If a deal 95% close to complete, and they were pretty much waiting so as not to steal attention from the finals, how long until it gets completed? This weekend? Your windows are the 15th/16th (just before the expansion draft roster freeze) or the 22nd/23rd before the NHL draft starts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted July 8, 2021 Report Share Posted July 8, 2021 5 minutes ago, Derrico said: Every time I see Brawndo posts in this thread my heart skips a beat. Cup has now been awarded. If a deal 95% close to complete, and they were pretty much waiting so as not to steal attention from the finals, how long until it gets completed? This weekend? Friedman mentioned after the expansion draft. The funny part is, I will be in the 1000 Islands from July 19th through July 29th. I will have a beer in one hand and a fishing pole in the other, so @LGR4GMand @WildCardare going to have to break everything during that timeframe 10 minutes ago, WildCard said: So he's still convinced it will happen then? They are too far down the road for it not to happen 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted July 8, 2021 Report Share Posted July 8, 2021 36 minutes ago, Brawndo said: Friedman mentioned after the expansion draft. The funny part is, I will be in the 1000 Islands from July 19th through July 29th. I will have a beer in one hand and a fishing pole in the other, so @LGR4GMand @WildCardare going to have to break everything during that timeframe They are too far down the road for it not to happen Now that is a beautiful spot, and is, in fact, where the salad dressing originated. If you can make it to the Canadian side, there is a great duty free store there to load up on booze and cigars. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torpedo Forecheck Posted July 8, 2021 Report Share Posted July 8, 2021 I heard a rumor from a friend in the Flyers organization today. He's hearing big noises about Eichel to Flyers for Konecny, Morgan Frost, a first and possibly another pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted July 8, 2021 Report Share Posted July 8, 2021 7 minutes ago, Torpedo Forecheck said: I heard a rumor from a friend in the Flyers organization today. He's hearing big noises about Eichel to Flyers for Konecny, Morgan Frost, a first and possibly another pick. Please no 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted July 8, 2021 Report Share Posted July 8, 2021 9 minutes ago, Torpedo Forecheck said: I heard a rumor from a friend in the Flyers organization today. He's hearing big noises about Eichel to Flyers for Konecny, Morgan Frost, a first and possibly another pick. And Couturier, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTS Posted July 8, 2021 Report Share Posted July 8, 2021 52 minutes ago, Brawndo said: Friedman mentioned after the expansion draft. The funny part is, I will be in the 1000 Islands from July 19th through July 29th. I will have a beer in one hand and a fishing pole in the other, so @LGR4GMand @WildCardare going to have to break everything during that timeframe They are too far down the road for it not to happen This is why I don't fish. Why would I want the opportunity for a fish to ruin my time drinking beer and hanging out by the water. 🙂 Enjoy your time off. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted July 8, 2021 Report Share Posted July 8, 2021 Also will be on vacation for most of this stretch, continuing the tradition of me never having time or access to internet whenever sabres stuff happens 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDS Posted July 8, 2021 Report Share Posted July 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Brawndo said: Friedman on the 31 Thoughts Podcast Today mentioned he is hearing that the Eichel Trade won’t happen until after the expansion draft and that Vegas is stiffing around. What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted July 8, 2021 Report Share Posted July 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Brawndo said: The funny part is, I will be in the 1000 Islands from July 19th through July 29th. You're not going anywhere until we have answers, mister. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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