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34 minutes ago, shrader said:

The Dahlin hit was an extended forearm, right?  I missed that game, so I really haven't seen it much.  So at least here he can attempt the defense that he lead with the shoulder.  I'm not buying it, but you know he'll try it should the NHL come calling.

The other thing mentioned upthread was the upward direction through the hit.  Gee, and you wonder why so many people wind up getting hit in the head.  That's the garbage that leads to so many head injuries, both in hockey and it football. 

It was a MMA style elbow to the face. It was absolutely intentional and why everyone was so pissed

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59 minutes ago, shrader said:

The Dahlin hit was an extended forearm, right?  I missed that game, so I really haven't seen it much.  So at least here he can attempt the defense that he lead with the shoulder.  I'm not buying it, but you know he'll try it should the NHL come calling.

The other thing mentioned upthread was the upward direction through the hit.  Gee, and you wonder why so many people wind up getting hit in the head.  That's the garbage that leads to so many head injuries, both in hockey and it football. 

Here you go... compare the two ...

https://mobile.twitter.com/BradyTrett/status/1199144976535343104?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-683300442800521964.ampproject.net%2F1911191835190%2Fframe.html

 

side question for those who are knowledgable about Twitter. Is there a way to imbed twitter videos if you do not have a twitter account? If so, explain please.

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21 minutes ago, miles said:

It was a MMA style elbow to the face. It was absolutely intentional and why everyone was so pissed

Agree.  In the seconds leading up to the incident, Cernak was fairly stationary watching Dahlin.  As Dahlin moved towards him, Cernak attempted a one-handed poke check with his left hand and missed.  Dahlin made his backward pass, but continued advancing towards Cernak's position near the face-off dot.  Cernak was waiting for him there and immediately raised his left elbow in the direction of Dahlin's head.  To my eye, it looked he intentionally raised his left elbow when he could have easily used his shoulder to take the body instead.

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19 minutes ago, nfreeman said:

In the "you reap what you sow" category:

 

And he missed and caught him with his wrist/forearm, so not even an elbow.

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6 minutes ago, Weave said:

And he missed and caught him with his wrist/forearm, so not even an elbow.

Kane might've gotten Gudas with the butt-end though. 

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8 minutes ago, nfreeman said:

Kane might've gotten Gudas with the butt-end though. 

Yeah, that was my thought.  He could get the book thrown at him if that connected.

46 minutes ago, Zamboni said:

Here you go... compare the two ...

https://mobile.twitter.com/BradyTrett/status/1199144976535343104?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-683300442800521964.ampproject.net%2F1911191835190%2Fframe.html

 

side question for those who are knowledgable about Twitter. Is there a way to imbed twitter videos if you do not have a twitter account? If so, explain please.

So the hits themselves are pretty different, but the timing could not be any worse for Cernak.  If the league finds it to be illegal, he's getting a good amount of free time with his family for christmas.

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On seeing Overchkin's and Wilson's (Wilson's!) "response," I don't think I ever need to hear again about how the Sabres fail to respond to goonery.

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37 minutes ago, nfreeman said:

In the "you reap what you sow" category:

 

I like that WIlson and Ovechkin went after him afterwards.....vs. the Sabres raising their hands to the ref's "Aren't you going to call a penalty" reaction.

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10 minutes ago, shrader said:

Yeah, that was my thought.  He could get the book thrown at him if that connected.

So the hits themselves are pretty different, but the timing could not be any worse for Cernak.  If the league finds it to be illegal, he's getting a good amount of free time with his family for christmas.

League will give him 5 games. If they even do anything. 

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4 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

League will give him 5 games. If they even do anything. 

Yeah, the clip earlier doesn't really show me enough of the play to know exactly what happened.  Scanning through the box score though, I see that he did get penalized for an illegal hit to the head.  I think that will be enough right there to get him a suspension.  I'm not really sure how they usually escalate the suspensions for these incidents, but with it being only his second game back, I would hope that earns him one or two more games than they would usually hand out for a second offense.

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11 hours ago, #freejame said:

I just have a really hard time caring about hits like this. Cernak started low and went upwards. If Carr were upright it’s a textbook hit through the chest. People are going to get hit in the head in sports, it doesn’t mean it’s dirty. It’s much easier watching something in slow-mo after the fact than it is reacting in real time. 

I understand the approach you have here.  However, in the context of what the NHL (and at least USA Hockey) are trying to remove from the game, it's exactly hits like these. 

In today's game you just can't target the head and for Cernak it appears that's what he's doing.  What's worse is that he just was suspended for targeting the head so it'll draw even more scrutiny. Frankly the hit is unnecessary if the attempt is to separate the player from the puck.  If the intent is to hit the opposing player as hard as you can, then sure, it has merit. The game is not about that anymore however.

50 minutes ago, nfreeman said:

In the "you reap what you sow" category:

 

Yeah, if you are Evander Kane you have a player who is known for cheap shots trying to line you up.  You are exposed to the boards so you've gotta expect his hit.  I think Kane tried to brace for it and Gudas goes a little lower so Kane bounces of the shoulder (slightly) a little and ends up hitting Gudas in the head.  I can't fault Kane here, it's just an unfortunate sequence and in my opinion speaks to what freejame said above.  Sometimes shots to the head will happen.  I don't think he deserved a game on that and certainly not a fine or a suspension.  I can understand why it was called a game misconduct in the normal course of play, but in slow motion i think it looks different.

The biggest problem for Gudas is that he locks legs with Kane and that is what keeps him from staying upright enough to avoid an awkward impact with the boards.

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1 hour ago, Carmel Corn said:

I like that WIlson and Ovechkin went after him afterwards.....vs. the Sabres raising their hands to the ref's "Aren't you going to call a penalty" reaction.

I want to see it. I hope cernak got what he had coming

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1 hour ago, That Aud Smell said:

On seeing Overchkin's and Wilson's (Wilson's!) "response," I don't think I ever need to hear again about how the Sabres fail to respond to goonery.

Wait, so you're telling me that having a thug on the ice didn't protect someone via deterrence? Shocked, I say. Almost as if the entire notion of on-ice protection is a myth. 

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8 minutes ago, TrueBlueGED said:

Wait, so you're telling me that having a thug on the ice didn't protect someone via deterrence? Shocked, I say. Almost as if the entire notion of on-ice protection is a myth. 

And, in fairness, that was a bad mofo who did the bad thing. Even so. Tom Wilson was out there.

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4 hours ago, nfreeman said:

In the "you reap what you sow" category:

 

It is wrong that I wish Kane got a better shot in? I'm certainly not an "out for blood" person, but Gudas is one of very (very) few players I wouldn't mind seeing put out of the game with a shot like he normally dishes out.

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3 hours ago, MattPie said:

It is wrong that I wish Kane got a better shot in? I'm certainly not an "out for blood" person, but Gudas is one of very (very) few players I wouldn't mind seeing put out of the game with a shot like he normally dishes out.

You're not alone.

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How are the Penguins possibly still in a playoff spot after all of their injuries.

Then they score a goal within the first minute against the Blues. There has just got to be something in that organization that doesn't quit

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Got this on eBay:

 

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With the exception of Ronnie and Dineen Captain Crunch is probably my favorite player ever.

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