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4 hours ago, Brawndo said:

Another one 

He always seemed to be a bit of a screamer, that one.

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2 hours ago, Brawndo said:

 

I don't know anything about Chandler Stephenson, but a mature third round pick being traded for a 5th round pick?  Sounds like a bust?  .2 PPG, +2 in 168 games.  Interestingly, he's had 2 GWG, both of them this year, and he's only scored 3 goals.

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17 hours ago, Hank said:

 

My post that you both quoted was in response to doohickies question "Why are they talking about stuff that happened 5 years ago?", Regarding Babcock and Franzen. You both attempted to bastardize the meaning of my post into something it is not. Your replies to my post are neither on topic or relevant. Unscrupulous of you both, but not out of character. 

I didn't attempt to do anything other than to offer perspective on why someone might wait five years, which was directly responding to your point. I addressed your use of the term snowflake, which I felt did not apply.  It was perfectly relevant.  I did not attempt to bastardize your response.  Your response stands and I refuted it with reason.  Which, Eleven found enough value in to comment that it provided perspective for him.  You then quoted Eleven in your below response that he had made to me.  I would think that indicates it provides some value and is not a bastardization of your response.

It's unfortunate that your response to someone refuting your points is to attempt to label them as unscrupulous.  Your label does not bother me as it could not be further from the truth. 

15 hours ago, Hank said:

I agree with your post. It's a valid perspective. Alow me to offer this.  Five years is a pretty significant time on a developmental curve. We grow, mature and evolve in our ideals and beliefs. I'm a different person than I was five years ago. A better person. I believe you, LTS, and most people would feel the same way about yourselves. Take this online community for example. Five years ago we had a thread dedicated to boobs. We unapologetically objectified beautiful women on here. That would not be tolerated today because as a community we grew, matured and evolved. So in that sense no, I'm no particularly interested in what a grown man may have said to another grown man five years ago that may have hurt his feelings, which is what my post was in reply to. 

Allow me to offer this.  People can evolve, it does not mean they do.

Said grown man was accused of the same behavior more recently. The information being provided by Franzen is an indication that Babcock did not just recently start engaging in this behavior but rather has an established history of behaving this way.  Perhaps it does not mean anything to you, that's fine.  It meant something Franzen, and that's what matters. Franzen lived with it, not you.

Either way, it merely adds more evidence to the fact that Babcock is a certain kind of person, he was that kind of person then, he's that kind of person now.  He may not be that person in the future.  He might evolve, but that hasn't happened yet and at this particular intersection of his behavior and the league standard, it means that he's unemployed.

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17 hours ago, Hank said:

 

My post that you both quoted was in response to doohickies question "Why are they talking about stuff that happened 5 years ago?", Regarding Babcock and Franzen. You both attempted to bastardize the meaning of my post into something it is not. Your replies to my post are neither on topic or relevant. Unscrupulous of you both, but not out of character. 

Because I posted a quote from an organization relevant to what we were talking about? In what way did I bastardize your point? 

Block me and be done with it then. 

Actually I am not done. It needs to be said because you are the one taking things out of context, bastardizing the person who said them, and whining about it with personal attacks. You know what is unscrupulous, playing like your are some victim when the only thing I did was post something else in line with the conversation. I quoted you because I was curious as to your response about it. I didn't even comment in the post to avoid this very issue. Apparently your response was to get offended, lash out, and act like the snowflakes you claim to be against. What a joke. 

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23 minutes ago, LTS said:

I didn't attempt to do anything other than to offer perspective on why someone might wait five years, which was directly responding to your point. I addressed your use of the term snowflake, which I felt did not apply.  It was perfectly relevant.  I did not attempt to bastardize your response.  Your response stands and I refuted it with reason.  Which, Eleven found enough value in to comment that it provided perspective for him.  You then quoted Eleven in your below response that he had made to me.  I would think that indicates it provides some value and is not a bastardization of your response.

It's unfortunate that your response to someone refuting your points is to attempt to label them as unscrupulous.  Your label does not bother me as it could not be further from the truth. 

Allow me to offer this.  People can evolve, it does not mean they do.

Said grown man was accused of the same behavior more recently. The information being provided by Franzen is an indication that Babcock did not just recently start engaging in this behavior but rather has an established history of behaving this way.  Perhaps it does not mean anything to you, that's fine.  It meant something Franzen, and that's what matters. Franzen lived with it, not you.

Either way, it merely adds more evidence to the fact that Babcock is a certain kind of person, he was that kind of person then, he's that kind of person now.  He may not be that person in the future.  He might evolve, but that hasn't happened yet and at this particular intersection of his behavior and the league standard, it means that he's unemployed.

You took my comment regarding the specific incident of a grown man maybe hurting another grown mans feelings five years ago and you generalized it because you take issue with my use of the term snowflake. You asserted that I insinuated that I'm okay with people acting like an ***** and essentially being a bully. I do not think it's okay for people to act like that and I did not insinuate otherwise. You DID bastardize my meaning, it WAS unscrupulous of you and it's NOT out of character. 

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10 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Because I posted a quote from an organization relevant to what we were talking about? In what way did I bastardize your point? 

Block me and be done with it then. 

Actually I am not done. It needs to be said because you are the one taking things out of context, bastardizing the person who said them, and whining about it with personal attacks. You know what is unscrupulous, playing like your are some victim when the only thing I did was post something else in line with the conversation. I quoted you because I was curious as to your response about it. I didn't even comment in the post to avoid this very issue. Apparently your response was to get offended, lash out, and act like the snowflakes you claim to be against. What a joke. 

I posted about a grown man hurting another grown mans feelings five years ago. You followed with a press release about a grown man demeaning kids today. They're not the same thing. Were you hoping I'd say the kids need to toughen up and get over it? No. It's horrible, we agree on that. I'm glad he was fired. What was your goal there? It wasn't to further discussion. 

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8 minutes ago, Hank said:

You took my comment regarding the specific incident of a grown man maybe hurting another grown mans feelings five years ago and you generalized it because you take issue with my use of the term snowflake. You asserted that I insinuated that I'm okay with people acting like an ***** and essentially being a bully. I do not think it's okay for people to act like that and I did not insinuate otherwise. You DID bastardize my meaning, it WAS unscrupulous of you and it's NOT out of character. 

You're a hypocrite who loves personal attacks but can't take them. Block me. You're a joke if that's where you took my post. You overreacted. Your scruples are not mine thank God. 

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Just now, LGR4GM said:

You're a hypocrite who loves personal attacks but can't take them. Block me. You're a joke if that's where you took my post. You overreacted. Your scruples are not mine thank God. 

That post you quoted wasn't directed at you. 

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2 minutes ago, Hank said:

I posted about a grown man hurting another grown mans feelings five years ago. You followed with a press release about a grown man demeaning kids today. They're not the same thing. Were you hoping I'd say the kids need to toughen up and get over it? No. It's horrible, we agree on that. I'm glad he was fired. What was your goal there? It wasn't to further discussion. 

Because I posted a team firing someone? They got fired for a similar offense. 

1 minute ago, Hank said:

That post you quoted wasn't directed at you. 

First one was. I'm just gonna stop responding because this is going to escalate fast.  Have a good day. 

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1 minute ago, LGR4GM said:

Because I posted a team firing someone? They got fired for a similar offense. 

Again. One is a grown man hurting another grown mans feelings five years ago. The other is a grown man demeaning kids today. They are not similar. 

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34 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

You're a hypocrite who loves personal attacks but can't take them. Block me. You're a joke if that's where you took my post. You overreacted. Your scruples are not mine thank God. 

Just a friendly tip: you may not be the best person to accuse someone of overreacting...

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What we have here is a failure to communicate.

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17 hours ago, Brawndo said:

Another one 

This is getting out of hand.   This stuff happened many years ago, same with Peters.    Not excusing what they did, but it was the culture back then.    Every coach I had from my teen years through college did things that would be considered completely unacceptable these days, from getting physically aggressive with players, racist comments here and there, belittling guys, etc...     That said, I'm glad that they're cleaning this stuff up, but there has to be some statute of limitations here.    It was a different era.

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4 hours ago, Hank said:

I posted about a grown man hurting another grown mans feelings five years ago. You followed with a press release about a grown man demeaning kids today. They're not the same thing. Were you hoping I'd say the kids need to toughen up and get over it? No. It's horrible, we agree on that. I'm glad he was fired. What was your goal there? It wasn't to further discussion. 

4 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

You're a hypocrite who loves personal attacks but can't take them. Block me. You're a joke if that's where you took my post. You overreacted. Your scruples are not mine thank God. 

Well, this was a horrible exchange that the 2 of you treated the rest of us to.

You both can do much better than this.

 

 

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4 hours ago, Hank said:

You took my comment regarding the specific incident of a grown man maybe hurting another grown mans feelings five years ago and you generalized it because you take issue with my use of the term snowflake. You asserted that I insinuated that I'm okay with people acting like an ***** and essentially being a bully. I do not think it's okay for people to act like that and I did not insinuate otherwise. You DID bastardize my meaning, it WAS unscrupulous of you and it's NOT out of character. 

Franzen speaks up about abusive behavior of Mike Babcock from five years ago.  This is evidence of Babcock being an asshat and bullying.  You call him a snowflake and that you are not interested in hearing his whining over something from five years ago.  I think this clearly demonstrates that you have a tolerance level for people who act like this.  Because you didn't talk about Babcock, you spoke out against Franzen.

Your next response speaks to it being five years ago and that people change.  This seems to indicate that you want to put a statute of limitations on these things.  Which may be possible because people do change.

However, I argue that with Babcock is being accused of the same behavior more recently than five years ago.  Chelios has spoken out against him, Marner, we've seen the players stepping forward. There's no evidence of Babcock changing, just that he's been an asshat and a bully for quite some time.

So, is Franzen still the problem here for you?  Is Franzen still a snowflake?  Would that mean Chris Chelios is a snowflake as well?  How about the other players who are speaking up?  Are they snowflakes?

I wouldn't want to insinuate how you feel about them.  So, rather than hazard a guess based the words you use to state your position I will just ask point blank.

 

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5 minutes ago, PASabreFan said:

But that's not why Babcock got fired, is it?

All that matters is that he's down so it's time to pile on.

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25 minutes ago, Brawndo said:

Noted Coach Killers, Your Buffalo Sabres

 

 

Ken Hitchcock

John Hynes

???

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33 minutes ago, Brawndo said:

Noted Coach Killers, Your Buffalo Sabres

 

 

I predicted this to my wife last night as she had one of her rare shows of interest in my game (incredulous that anyone could be down 5-0 to the Sabres).

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11 minutes ago, PASabreFan said:

Ken Hitchcock

John Hynes

???

Lindy Ruff

Ted Nolan

Disco Dan

That other guy

And someone else too

 

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