Taro T Posted April 14, 2018 Report Share Posted April 14, 2018 If they win the cup, do we get their 2018 first or is it still 2019? The way it was reported, the pick is 2019 regardless of round unless the lottery protection slides it to 2020. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunomatic Posted April 15, 2018 Report Share Posted April 15, 2018 The way it was reported, the pick is 2019 regardless of round unless the lottery protection slides it to 2020. So 2022, 23 this Kid should be sufficiently developed to make the big squad? :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted April 15, 2018 Report Share Posted April 15, 2018 So 2022, 23 this Kid should be sufficiently developed to make the big squad? :blink: Hopefully sooner, but that is definitely realistically a possibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted April 15, 2018 Report Share Posted April 15, 2018 (edited) Evander Kane is a very good hockey player. The Sabres were a bad team. He did pretty well on a very bad team.  There might be a separate thread for this subject, but why has Phil Housley been given a free pass for the Sabres demise this year? I've heard virtually nothing pointing the blame at him. Maybe I just haven't noticed amidst all the other failures. Because Jbot knows he didn’t give him a roster that could execute the system properly. Wowie had some real +’s and -‘s this season. Reaching Sam and Jack were huge long-term pluses for this organization. I’m not a Kane fan. I think his shoot first and pass rarely mentality was a terrible fit here, especially playing with Jack. That said Kane, after the initial incidents here seemed to really mature. His play and effort certainly did. We all need to hope that SJ really likes him and re-signs him to salvage the trade. Edited April 15, 2018 by GASabresIUFAN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasmus_ Posted April 15, 2018 Report Share Posted April 15, 2018 He's a great fit in SJS.  I say there is a good amount of likelihood that he signs there.  I doubt Joe is going to come back and insist on 8M per season again.  I would think they re-sign him for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted April 15, 2018 Report Share Posted April 15, 2018 I think Kane is in that 7 mil range. That seems to be the going rate for similar wingers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerreaultForever Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 and well in his 2nd and 3rd.........  Marcus Foligno looked like the kind of player we long for too in game 3 didn't he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabel79 Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 Good player looks better on good team than he does on tire fire alert.... yawn... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilbert11 Posted April 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 The refrain has been even Scotty Bowman couldn't win with these guys. But finish dead last? No way. Something was very much amiss, and it's hard for me to see greatness out of Housley after this debacle. Also, FWIW, Botterill has gotten off easy, too. He had a draft, a free agent period, a trade deadline, a whole season. He turned over half the roster and they still stunk. He sat on his hands while the team burned early on, and the Kane deal was dreadful. Not a good start for either guy. This franchise is just jinxed. Even when Bowman was in charge they couldn't win a cup, even though he had won one everywhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilbert11 Posted April 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 Because Jbot knows he didn’t give him a roster that could execute the system properly. Wowie had some real +’s and -‘s this season. Reaching Sam and Jack were huge long-term pluses for this organization. I’m not a Kane fan. I think his shoot first and pass rarely mentality was a terrible fit here, especially playing with Jack. That said Kane, after the initial incidents here seemed to really mature. His play and effort certainly did. We all need to hope that SJ really likes him and re-signs him to salvage the trade. In last night's game, Kane was in a 2 on 1 with Donskoi, with Donskoi carrying the puck in and then passing to Kane at point blank range. Kane actually passed it back to him at the right side of the goal for Donskoi to score. I was shocked. Even the Sharks play-by-play guy immediately said Kane could've easily scored himself but he passed yo his teammate. Looks like being in a winning environment is wearing off on the guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabre1974 Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 Hopefully he signs and we have two first round picks in 2019 :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jsixspd Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 Another excellent night for Evander..... a goal and an assist.  He's probably overjoyed to be out of the madhouse of Pegulaville. They need a sign for the locker room entrance at Keybank..."Abandon Hope, All Ye Who Enter Here" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyldnwoody44 Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 Or... "work will set you free" Â Â Too soon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jsixspd Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 Or... "work will set you free" Â Â Too soon? haha!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 In last night's game, Kane was in a 2 on 1 with Donskoi, with Donskoi carrying the puck in and then passing to Kane at point blank range. Kane actually passed it back to him at the right side of the goal for Donskoi to score. I was shocked. Even the Sharks play-by-play guy immediately said Kane could've easily scored himself but he passed yo his teammate. Looks like being in a winning environment is wearing off on the guy. Â He did the same in Buffalo in an empty net situation to give a goal to Reinhart, I think for Sam's first hat trick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsb Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 He did the same in Buffalo in an empty net situation to give a goal to Reinhart, I think for Sam's first hat trick. He also had 20Gs and 20 assists this year in Buffalo so that scenario that he never passes is bogus also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 In last night's game, Kane was in a 2 on 1 with Donskoi, with Donskoi carrying the puck in and then passing to Kane at point blank range. Kane actually passed it back to him at the right side of the goal for Donskoi to score. I was shocked. Even the Sharks play-by-play guy immediately said Kane could've easily scored himself but he passed yo his teammate. Looks like being in a winning environment is wearing off on the guy. Winning environment or playing with good players? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabel79 Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 Or... "work will set you free" Too soon? Not cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 This franchise is just jinxed. Even when Bowman was in charge they couldn't win a cup, even though he had won one everywhere else.  To be fair, at the time he came to Buffalo he had only won multiple cups in Montreal. Before that he had 3 cusps (shout out to PA) in St. Louis as coach.  So, not everywhere else and not in Buffalo, although he came pretty close in his first year as coach and GM. Not very close following that as GM.  Of course, he moved on from Buffalo and won multiple cups at every stop.  Makes one wonder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 Winning environment or playing with good players? The 2nd one IMO.  I’ve said before that Kane’s rep as a selfish player was rooted in him being surrounded by jags for most of his career. He knew the best chance of a +1 was if he did it himself. And we saw that here. Once Jack and Sam showed that they were capable of putting away his dishes, he had no problem passing off to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 The 2nd one IMO.  I’ve said before that Kane’s rep as a selfish player was rooted in him being surrounded by jags for most of his career. He knew the best chance of a +1 was if he did it himself. And we saw that here. Once Jack and Sam showed that they were capable of putting away his dishes, he had no problem passing off to them. *Attempting to pass and putting it into shinpads/onto opponents sticks because his vision and passing were both mediocre* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 and well in his 2nd and 3rd......... Â Marcus Foligno looked like the kind of player we long for too in game 3 didn't he? If you find yourself longing for Marcus Foligno, you may need to take a step back and do some personal reflection. *Attempting to pass and putting it into shinpads/onto opponents sticks because his vision and passing were both mediocre* And let's not pretend he was suddenly some passer. He still loved his low percentage shots into the goalie's crest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 If you find yourself longing for Marcus Foligno, you may need to take a step back and do some personal reflection. Â And let's not pretend he was suddenly some passer. He still loved his low percentage shots into the goalie's crest. I made no commentary tegarding his skill as a passer, just on his supposed selfishness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 If you find yourself longing for Marcus Foligno, you may need to take a step back and do some personal reflection.  And let's not pretend he was suddenly some passer. He still loved his low percentage shots into the goalie's crest. Yeah, it's really easy now to see Kane hot in the playoffs like he was here for 2.5 months and lament what should have been, but we know and understand that he goes on runs like that, and it's completely reasonable to note that his play has never been an integral part of a team making the playoffs, didn't help us get anywhere, and doesn't fit in with the kind of hockey (namely, that with sustainable possession and high-hockey-IQ players) we need to desperately add more of to the team. Even if he skates fast and hits hard.  I'm rooting hard for the guy and think he fits in the Pacific Division well, AND I'm glad we didn't re-sign him and aren't planning on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 I made no commentary tegarding his skill as a passer, just on his supposed selfishness. FWIW, I never thought he shot all the time out of selfishness, though I acknowledge plenty of others did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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