darksabre Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 While they're the only ones scoring goals, the only goal where one had anything to do with the other scoring is the shorty, and we can still keep them out as the penalty kill duo for the last 20 seconds or so. So they have had a hand in 1 goal for each other, but they've been on the ice for 5 or 6 against, I believe. As our problem lately has been keeping the puck out of the net, why is is such a ludicrous idea to try and spread the scoring around while breaking up a duo that has proven in the past to have abominable goals-against numbers while on the ice, and is continuing that trend this year? This is the same thing I pointed to when I went back and looked at the highlight reels for both of them last year. Kane and Eichel don't really contribute anything to the other in terms of goal scoring. Most of the time they're just doing their own thing and every now and then it works that they sync up. But for the most part they may as well have no idea the other guy is there. Basically zero chemistry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 This is the same thing I pointed to when I went back and looked at the highlight reels for both of them last year. Kane and Eichel don't really contribute anything to the other in terms of goal scoring. Most of the time they're just doing their own thing and every now and then it works that they sync up. But for the most part they may as well have no idea the other guy is there. Basically zero chemistry. Combine the fact that the Brian Gibbons line out-possessed them 80% to 20% and that Kane will score at his rate no matter who he's with, I don't see why we wouldn't try to jump start two lines by splitting them up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 I don't buy the idea of spreading the scoring out. I don't think it generally works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 Combine the fact that the Brian Gibbons line out-possessed them 80% to 20% and that Kane will score at his rate no matter who he's with, I don't see why we wouldn't try to jump start two lines by splitting them up. I don't buy the idea of spreading the scoring out. I don't think it generally works. I don't really see this as a spreading the scoring issue anyway. It's about getting two players away from each other who have no chemistry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 I don't buy the idea of spreading the scoring out. I don't think it generally works. What about the idea of breaking apart a pair that bleeds goals against when together? Two years of data shows no real uptick in offense when they are on the ice together, but a very real increase in offense against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 Never thought of all the players in our top 6 from last year, the only one I'd be happy about is Kane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokey Jones Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 Plus minus stats listed in this article are rather telling. http://buffalonews.com/2017/10/09/mike-harrington-sabres-big-names-coming-woefully-small/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 Every time someone uses plus minus, flying raptor spaghetti monster wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 (edited) :huh: Pretty sure thst's what my post said. :unsure: EDIT: Ah, OK, the one that Eichel stole was the 2nd SHG. Thanks! :beer: Eichel stole the 1st SH goal. ROR passed to Kane on the second. Kane's third goal was that amazing PP individual effort, then he had an ES marker (again an individual effort) for goal 4. While they're the only ones scoring goals, the only goal where one had anything to do with the other scoring is the shorty, and we can still keep them out as the penalty kill duo for the last 20 seconds or so. So they have had a hand in 1 goal for each other, but they've been on the ice for 5 or 6 against, I believe. As our problem lately has been keeping the puck out of the net, why is is such a ludicrous idea to try and spread the scoring around while breaking up a duo that has proven in the past to have abominable goals-against numbers while on the ice, and is continuing that trend this year? This isn't strictly true. On Pominville's 2nd of the season, off the brilliant pass from Jack, a big reason that pass had a clear lane to get through was due to the space Kane created by driving to the front of the net. They also both assisted on the goal. Edited October 10, 2017 by Thorny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuckinFL Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 Get rid of Baloo. I want him nowhere near this team. I'd rather have Gorges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3putt Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 Get rid of Baloo. I want him nowhere near this team. I'd rather have Gorges. Woah woah big fella, there is bitter reactionary venting and there is just plain crazy talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuckinFL Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 Say what you want about Gorges, but how many times did he fail to cover the passer on a 2 on 1? How many short handed goals was he directly responsible for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 Beaulieu is bad, but the correction I'd make would be to give him very sheltered minutes, and let him nowhere near PP1. I'd much have Beaulieu in that situation than Gorges in any situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 Say what you want about Gorges, but how many times did he fail to cover the passer on a 2 on 1? How many short handed goals was he directly responsible for? To be fair, you have to be on a powerplay to be responsible for a shorthanded goal. So the answer is probably 0, but that really isn't valid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 To be fair, you have to be on a powerplay to be responsible for a shorthanded goal. So the answer is probably 0, but that really isn't valid. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 Sabres lines in practice per Bill Hoppe #Sabres lines: Girgensons-Eichel-Pommer Kane-ROR-Okposo Pouliot-Larsson-Reinhart Nolan-Josefson-Griffith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 Line 3 is obviously more of a traditiona 3rd line, but I'm not sure Poulliot is good for that role. Then again, has he been good for any role in the 1st 3 games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 New #Sabres lines at practice: Girgensons-Eichel-Pominville Kane-O'Reilly-Okposo Pouliot-Larsson-Reinhart Griffith-Josefson-Nolan Scandella-Risto Beaulieu-Tennyson McCabe-Gorges Antipin & Moulson skating as a pair as well. Reinhart may not be a third line center, but he is definitely not a third line winger Flip Pommers and Reinhart and let's go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 Line 3 is obviously more of a traditiona 3rd line, but I'm not sure Poulliot is good for that role. Then again, has he been good for any role in the 1st 3 games? It's definitely a mixed bag. I'm just happy to see Kane away from Eichel. That's all I want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 Love the forwards, hate the defense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkard Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 Sabres lines in practice per Bill Hoppe #Sabres lines: Girgensons-Eichel-Pommer Kane-ROR-Okposo Pouliot-Larsson-Reinhart Nolan-Josefson-Griffith So they're moving Reinhart to wing but keeping him on the 3rd line? Woof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallawaySabres Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 New #Sabres lines at practice: Girgensons-Eichel-Pominville Kane-O'Reilly-Okposo Pouliot-Larsson-Reinhart Griffith-Josefson-Nolan Scandella-Risto Beaulieu-Tennyson McCabe-Gorges Antipin & Moulson skating as a pair as well. Reinhart may not be a third line center, but he is definitely not a third line winger Flip Pommers and Reinhart and let's go Still 5 players away, minimum. Every time I see that lineup, I realize why this team is as bad as they are. I don't even know what to think of the defense but man, that offense is terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 Moulsen is sitting good... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 Sabres lines in practice per Bill Hoppe #Sabres lines: Girgensons-Eichel-Pommer Kane-ROR-Okposo Pouliot-Larsson-Reinhart Nolan-Josefson-Griffith Not QUITE what I was hoping for but there are 3 items that should help a lot: giving Eichel a winger not named Kane that will be the line's primary mucker so that he'll now be on a traditional grinder-playmaker-finisher line; moving Larsson back to C; (Larsson is at least twice the player when at C rather than W.) & getting Moulson back to the press box. Now, if they can get Beaulieu away from the top pairing (Bogosian better be healthy, otherwise 3rd pairing is a disater waiting to happen of Beaulieu & Tennyson), they may be onto something. Not sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 4 forwards and at least 1 stud D... imo Would love to see Girgenson on fourth line checking, Pommer on third, keep Larrson or not fourth line center... and lose Pouliot, Moulson, Griffith and Josefson.. Cant wait to see Middlestadt and Asplund up... Weissbach is interesting too... Pu possibly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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