IKnowPhysics Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 :D This post is priceless, thank you for the drink coming out my nose :) Heh, you're welcome. On paper, both those guys had enough demonstrable potential and they were gonna fill major gaps. And somehow, it all fell to . And I don't know what we could've done differently (besides maybe not force Leino to play center, which he had played in juniors). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winston Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 The extension he reportedly turned down during the season was 7 years, $42M. That's right about what I think he'd get on the open market. Last year I wanted Yandle, who got 7 years, $44.5M. Yandle was coming off seasons of 53, 52, and 47 points. He was 29 years old when signed. Shattenkirk is coming off seasons of 44, 44, 56 points. He is 28 years old. It's one of those two-sided contracts. Do I want a 50 point Dman added to our offensively challenged blue line? Hell yeah. Do I want to pay Shatty $6M when he's 35? Hell no. Would I take the production now and deal with the latter when the time comes? Probably, because good teams find a way to make those things work and I'm hoping to become a good team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 The extension he reportedly turned down during the season was 7 years, $42M. That's right about what I think he'd get on the open market. Last year I wanted Yandle, who got 7 years, $44.5M. Yandle was coming off seasons of 53, 52, and 47 points. He was 29 years old when signed. Shattenkirk is coming off seasons of 44, 44, 56 points. He is 28 years old. It's one of those two-sided contracts. Do I want a 50 point Dman added to our offensively challenged blue line? Hell yeah. Do I want to pay Shatty $6M when he's 35? Hell no. Would I take the production now and deal with the latter when the time comes? Probably, because good teams find a way to make those things work and I'm hoping to become a good team. This Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustache of God Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 I have no real comments other than that I love his name. It makes me picture the captain of the enterprise after ingesting some bad space food. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 I'm big on Shattenkirk, but I'm not willing to overpay unless we could clear off a bad contract. If we could flip Bogo's deal into Shattenkirk, plus a few hundred thousand or so, that would be an absolute coup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 no on shattenkork Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsb Posted June 26, 2017 Report Share Posted June 26, 2017 I'm big on Shattenkirk, but I'm not willing to overpay unless we could clear off a bad contract. Isn't that Pegula's job??? You must have received a pretty sweet deal in Ohio to even think of it........... :P :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallawaySabres Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 Let nj have him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubkev Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 I'll take him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trettioåtta Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 $6 million a year? Is that the over/under for people's desire for him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 It's not about that for me it's length. 6milx5 years I'm good and happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 4 years max and I still think we'd be better off looking elsewhere for D help. I actually think Alzner would be a better fit. Brendan Smith received a big $ contract. Alzner's better, but how much and again for how long? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 4 years max and I still think we'd be better off looking elsewhere for D help. I actually think Alzner would be a better fit. Brendan Smith received a big $ contract. Alzner's better, but how much and again for how long? Why do you think Alzner is a better fit for what Housley wants to do than Shattenkirk? To my eye, Alzner is the antithesis of what we want to pay for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 Why do you think Alzner is a better fit for what Housley wants to do than Shattenkirk? To my eye, Alzner is the antithesis of what we want to pay for. Somebody who is defensively aware. If Alzner can play for Barry Trotz in Wash, I can't see why he wouldn't also do well with another former Nashville coach in Wowie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 (edited) Somebody who is defensively aware. If Alzner can play for Barry Trotz in Wash, I can't see why he wouldn't also do well with another former Nashville coach in Wowie.But Alzner doesn't have the right skills. He's neither a great skater nor passer, both skills valuable for Housley. Brendan Smith would've been a much better add because he brings those things while also being solid defensively. Alzner isn't going to help the breakout, he's not going to help flip the ice, and he's not going to help on the attack. His in-zone defensive value, while real, is not worth what he's going to make. Edit: You think he's better than Smith, who got $4.35x4. How much better is Alzner to you? $5x5? Edited June 29, 2017 by TrueBlueGED Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kas23 Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 No thanks to Shattenkirk. He'll be expensive and he's not the right age. By them time we're actually seriously contending for the Cup, his value (performance per cap hit) will likely be low (definitely lower than now). We need to shed these types of contracts, not add them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted June 30, 2017 Report Share Posted June 30, 2017 Per this his metrics aren't bad https://twitter.com/ineffectivemath/status/879857823701716992 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted June 30, 2017 Report Share Posted June 30, 2017 Shattenkirk wouldn't work here, he and Risto were 1&2 on D PP points a lot of last year which tells me we'd just be cannibalizing points we already have for the most part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottysabres Posted June 30, 2017 Report Share Posted June 30, 2017 Shattenkirk wouldn't work here, he and Risto were 1&2 on D PP points a lot of last year which tells me we'd just be cannibalizing points we already have for the most part. Yea, but that last name......SHATTENkirK! That would be awesome from RJ :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 30, 2017 Report Share Posted June 30, 2017 Shattenkirk wouldn't work here, he and Risto were 1&2 on D PP points a lot of last year which tells me we'd just be cannibalizing points we already have for the most part. Play em together. Nothing wrong with having a good second unit: Jack ROR Moulson (Vanek) Risto Shat Sam Kyle Kane (Ennis) Beaulieu Antipin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PotentPowerPlay22 Posted June 30, 2017 Report Share Posted June 30, 2017 Just say NO. He is not good value for money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKnowPhysics Posted June 30, 2017 Report Share Posted June 30, 2017 Play em together. Nothing wrong with having a good second unit: Jack ROR Moulson (Vanek) Risto Shat Sam Kyle Kane (Ennis) Beaulieu Antipin Don't do that. Don't put two righties on the power play point. If anything thing run one each on PP1 and PP2 and utilize them the same way. But don't put them together if you want to have good puck movement and quick point shots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted June 30, 2017 Report Share Posted June 30, 2017 NET Vanek xxxxx Jack ROR Risto And then NET Matty Mo? Sam Kyle Antipin's spot Shatty Antipin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted June 30, 2017 Report Share Posted June 30, 2017 Reinhart goes in front of the net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted June 30, 2017 Report Share Posted June 30, 2017 Reinhart goes in front of the net The dark ages have passed my friend, enlightenment and reason have been embraced by society Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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