pi2000 Posted July 7, 2016 Report Share Posted July 7, 2016 So Risto's 41 points last season to Barrie's 49, when Risto is 3 years younger, is "can't hold a candle to" in your book? So he's likely going to match or surpass Barrie for offense in the coming years, and he's already better defensively. I can see the argument for Ristolainen. Have you watched Barrie play? His skating, puck handling, and offensive awareness are light years ahead of Risto. Risto's point totals are a result of being a 1A in a lackluster lineup. With a Fowler in the lineup, or even an improved McCabe, I expect Risto's offensive production to drop. GMTM said it himself, he's still looking for a PP QB on the backend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3putt Posted July 7, 2016 Report Share Posted July 7, 2016 Have you watched Barrie play? His skating, puck handling, and offensive awareness are light years ahead of Risto. Risto's point totals are a result of being a 1A in a lackluster lineup. With a Fowler in the lineup, or even an improved McCabe, I expect Risto's offensive production to drop. GMTM said it himself, he's still looking for a PP QB on the backend. I have and he's ok. His offense is cancelled by the bonehead and selfish plays that lead to easy chances and goals. Risto is as good a skater and better in his own zone. Barrie is better on the point and on the power play which Risto can easily make up. Barrie and Fowler have plateaued, Risto is just scratching the surface. With Kulikov I think Risto takes a big jump this year without having to worry about joining in the offense with only Gorges back. I am in the 3 or 8 camp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted July 7, 2016 Report Share Posted July 7, 2016 Have you watched Barrie play? His skating, puck handling, and offensive awareness are light years ahead of Risto. Risto's point totals are a result of being a 1A in a lackluster lineup. With a Fowler in the lineup, or even an improved McCabe, I expect Risto's offensive production to drop. GMTM said it himself, he's still looking for a PP QB on the backend. I have seen him play, and I still think Risto's ceiling is higher. Gorges played, what, top pair last year? How were his numbers? I don't think it holds that Risto's numbers would go down with a competent parter. It's probably the opposite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted July 8, 2016 Report Share Posted July 8, 2016 I have seen him play, and I still think Risto's ceiling is higher. Gorges played, what, top pair last year? How were his numbers? I don't think it holds that Risto's numbers would go down with a competent parter. It's probably the opposite. I haven't seen him play, but I just know if you play for the sabres you are instantly better :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted July 8, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2016 either sign Risto to a 3 year bridge or an 8 year contract, anything else would annoy me. Either you think he is the guy or you don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerme1 Posted July 8, 2016 Report Share Posted July 8, 2016 Nine out of 10 GMs would take him over Tyson Barrie. Make it 10 out of 10 as I've officially decided I would too. I highly doubt this. Defensively they're on par, perhaps a slight nod to Rasmus, but he can't hold a candle to Barrie's skating and offensive prowess. Can I just ask you to name whatever it is on this team as far as players, coaches, owners, fans or anything associated with the team that you can say is a positive? You've actually replaced someone who I would ask that same question to but it would a antangonistic type of question. To you though, it's a legit question I'm asking you? either sign Risto to a 3 year bridge or an 8 year contract, anything else would annoy me. Either you think he is the guy or you don't. I agree with this and want to buy off the longer term at less money if he'll do it. I have full faith in him as a player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted July 8, 2016 Report Share Posted July 8, 2016 Please, no bridge. Florida did it right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted July 8, 2016 Report Share Posted July 8, 2016 The only think Barrie does better than Risto is skate. His high-risk offensive mistakes cancel out his high-risk offensive successes. Risto is far superior in the corners, in front of our net, defending the rush and in traffic. He's as good a passer, and almost as good at the point. Barrie is a better skater and puck carrier Risto is hard to play against. Barrie is not. I like Barrie as a second-pairing PP specialist. He has first-pair offensive talent, good, to very good in all offensive areas of the game. He is also soft and a liability in his own zone and his coach has to watch when he plays and who he plays against. Sakic ain't the smartest GM, but there is a reason why he doesn't wants pay him six million. This is comparing the two right now. Given the fact Risto is 21, and should get better, this shouldn't even be a discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted July 8, 2016 Report Share Posted July 8, 2016 I love Tyson Barrie. Love love love him to itty bitty pieces. But Dudacek is correct (except for the hard to play against thing...skilled players are hard to play against ;) ). Risto is a top pair player with #1 potential, Barrie is a 2nd pair player (an exceptional one, but second pair nonetheless). If Risto had Barrie's cushy minutes, he'd easily put up the same offensive numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted July 8, 2016 Report Share Posted July 8, 2016 Well, it will be interesting to see what Barrie is awarded in arbitration (if they get that far) vs what Risto gets from GMTM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted July 8, 2016 Report Share Posted July 8, 2016 Please, no bridge. Florida did it right The ekblad deal should compare well to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted July 8, 2016 Report Share Posted July 8, 2016 Nine out of 10 GMs would take him over Tyson Barrie. Yeah, but would four out of five dentists? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted July 8, 2016 Report Share Posted July 8, 2016 Per John Vogl The Sabres and Rasmus Ristolainen are still having preliminary talks about a long-term deal with nothing imminent for the RFA defenseman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted July 8, 2016 Report Share Posted July 8, 2016 Can I just ask you to name whatever it is on this team as far as players, coaches, owners, fans or anything associated with the team that you can say is a positive? You've actually replaced someone who I would ask that same question to but it would a antangonistic type of question. To you though, it's a legit question I'm asking you? Sure, fair question. I see plenty of positives, I agree with pretty much all of TMs moves. I predicted Eichel would have a better rookie year than McDavid because of his size and strength. I thought the tank strategy was a positive and the right way to rebuild the team. I like Lehner, I think he's the answer in net, he has the right demeanor and physical talent to have long term success. I like the draft picks over the past few seasons. I can't really name one player I wish they would replace besides maybe Gorges who I think is much too slow footed for the modern NHL. I like Bylsma, I think he's the right coach for this team at this time. Don't get me wrong, I like Risto, I really do. He has upside, but he's only been in the league for 2 full seasons and is not on the same level as an Ekblad or Krug, I think most on here overvalue him at this stage in his career... maybe I'm still a bit jaded from the Tyler Myers contract... a guy who won the Calder, Risto wasn't even nominated. Giving a guy financial security with an 8 year deal at the tender age of 21 can easily derail his career. A bridge deal keeps him motivated and developing and gives him a chance to earn a larger contract in the long run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerme1 Posted July 8, 2016 Report Share Posted July 8, 2016 Sure, fair question. I see plenty of positives, I agree with pretty much all of TMs moves. I predicted Eichel would have a better rookie year than McDavid because of his size and strength. I thought the tank strategy was a positive and the right way to rebuild the team. I like Lehner, I think he's the answer in net, he has the right demeanor and physical talent to have long term success. I like the draft picks over the past few seasons. I can't really name one player I wish they would replace besides maybe Gorges who I think is much too slow footed for the modern NHL. I like Bylsma, I think he's the right coach for this team at this time. Don't get me wrong, I like Risto, I really do. He has upside, but he's only been in the league for 2 full seasons and is not on the same level as an Ekblad or Krug, I think most on here overvalue him at this stage in his career... maybe I'm still a bit jaded from the Tyler Myers contract... a guy who won the Calder, Risto wasn't even nominated. Giving a guy financial security with an 8 year deal at the tender age of 21 can easily derail his career. A bridge deal keeps him motivated and developing and gives him a chance to earn a larger contract in the long run. Thank you for that. As far as Risto and term go, I don't worry at all about him continually growing as a man and player. He has shown that to me and taking charge and going after guys this season like Ovie. I only see him developing his craft year over year and look forward to what will accomplish this year. Not to say there wont be growing pains because there was that this season too. But as you mention, look at his age. No worries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrico Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 Anyone else getting a touch concerned with the delay? This is our franchise defenseman. What could possibly be the hold up? There are several comparable guys whom have already signed long term deals. Is he waiting on Lindholm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3putt Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 If I was his agent I would be advising that. If I was Lindholms agent I would be waiting on Rasmus. Or the Barrie arb award. It will set ceiling and floor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 Like I said before, I expect this to drag on. GMTM didn't draft Rasmus, it's not clear if he thinks of him as a future 1A. I think GMTM wants a bridge, and Rasmus wants term. A 3 year bridge wouldn't get him to UFA status, but he would have arbitration rights as an RFA. If he can prove his 1A status on a competitive team after 3 years, then great, but he hasn't proved it yet like Ekblad and others who signed long term deals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerme1 Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 Like I said before, I expect this to drag on. GMTM didn't draft Rasmus, it's not clear if he thinks of him as a future 1A. I think GMTM wants a bridge, and Rasmus wants term. A 3 year bridge wouldn't get him to UFA status, but he would have arbitration rights as an RFA. If he can prove his 1A status on a competitive team after 3 years, then great, but he hasn't proved it yet like Ekblad and others who signed long term deals. Why would you think that when the last comment GMTM made about it was they were working toward a long term deal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 Why would you think that when the last comment GMTM made about it was they were working toward a long term deal? I'm sure GMTM's vision of long term deal doesn't line up with Risto's vision of long term deal. GMTM also said they'd look at a bridge if they reached a stalemate on a long term contract, so there's that. I have a feeling that's where they'll end up. WIthout arbitration rights, Risto really has no choice but sign, unless somebody swoops in and offers him a large deal. If they do, I don't expect GMTM to match it, maybe he works out a sign and trade, or something of that nature, could be interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 Today was the deadline for RFA's to sign their qualifiying contracts. Catenacci signed his, but no news on Girgensons and Ristolainen or Kasdorf for that matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom webster Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 I'm sure GMTM's vision of long term deal doesn't line up with Risto's vision of long term deal. GMTM also said they'd look at a bridge if they reached a stalemate on a long term contract, so there's that. I have a feeling that's where they'll end up. WIthout arbitration rights, Risto really has no choice but sign, unless somebody swoops in and offers him a large deal. If they do, I don't expect GMTM to match it, maybe he works out a sign and trade, or something of that nature, could be interesting. Risto will sign a long term deal within the next week, perhaps before the weekend is out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerme1 Posted July 16, 2016 Report Share Posted July 16, 2016 I'm sure GMTM's vision of long term deal doesn't line up with Risto's vision of long term deal. GMTM also said they'd look at a bridge if they reached a stalemate on a long term contract, so there's that. I have a feeling that's where they'll end up. WIthout arbitration rights, Risto really has no choice but sign, unless somebody swoops in and offers him a large deal. If they do, I don't expect GMTM to match it, maybe he works out a sign and trade, or something of that nature, could be interesting. That would be an interesting development but I can't see it happening. I also think Murray would match it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted July 16, 2016 Report Share Posted July 16, 2016 I'm sure GMTM's vision of long term deal doesn't line up with Risto's vision of long term deal. GMTM also said they'd look at a bridge if they reached a stalemate on a long term contract, so there's that. I have a feeling that's where they'll end up. WIthout arbitration rights, Risto really has no choice but sign, unless somebody swoops in and offers him a large deal. If they do, I don't expect GMTM to match it, maybe he works out a sign and trade, or something of that nature, could be interesting. :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cisse Posted July 16, 2016 Report Share Posted July 16, 2016 Come on, sign it already. This waiting is making me nervous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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