inkman Posted July 16, 2016 Report Share Posted July 16, 2016 It'll get done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 DTM About Heart @DTMAboutHeart The most negative defenseman last year according to even-strength Goals Above Replacement? Rasmus Ristolainen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 DTM About Heart @DTMAboutHeart The most negative defenseman last year according to even-strength Goals Above Replacement? Rasmus Ristolainen #StatsWithoutReason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3putt Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 DTM About Heart @DTMAboutHeart The most negative defenseman last year according to even-strength Goals Above Replacement? Rasmus Ristolainen What does that even mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 The person who tweeted it agrees that it's not a totally relevant stat to use without context or reason, but this is true: DTM About Heart @DTMAboutHeart 10m10 minutes ago @garik16 At some point you would like to see some sort of positive sign You can't use advanced stats to support ten players then completely ignore them when a player you like is miserable in that category. I'm on the "sign Risto to a healthy long-term deal" bandwagon, but I still don't think he's what most fans think he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 The person who tweeted it agrees that it's not a totally relevant stat to use without context or reason, but this is true: DTM About Heart @DTMAboutHeart 10m10 minutes ago @garik16 At some point you would like to see some sort of positive sign You can't use advanced stats to support ten players then completely ignore them when a player you like is miserable in that category. I'm on the "sign Risto to a healthy long-term deal" bandwagon, but I still don't think he's what most fans think he is. .can't argue with that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 The person who tweeted it agrees that it's not a totally relevant stat to use without context or reason, but this is true: DTM About Heart @DTMAboutHeart 10m10 minutes ago @garik16 At some point you would like to see some sort of positive sign You can't use advanced stats to support ten players then completely ignore them when a player you like is miserable in that category. I'm on the "sign Risto to a healthy long-term deal" bandwagon, but I still don't think he's what most fans think he is. He's a #1/2 more than likely with loads of potential going forward, but I wouldn't mind 1 more guy with that potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 The person who tweeted it agrees that it's not a totally relevant stat to use without context or reason, but this is true: DTM About Heart @DTMAboutHeart 10m10 minutes ago @garik16 At some point you would like to see some sort of positive sign You can't use advanced stats to support ten players then completely ignore them when a player you like is miserable in that category. I'm on the "sign Risto to a healthy long-term deal" bandwagon, but I still don't think he's what most fans think he is. This is my concern as well. GMTM didn't draft Risto, and he has his own ratings system so we don't know what value he places on him. We know he's young, has prototypical size and a great tool set. There is still a lot we don't know about Risto. He's 20, has he plateaued? How much better will he get? You sign him to a 6-8 year deal, what if he turns out to be like a Kalinin who was also a first rounder? A bridge deal makes most sense IMO. Give him time to grow and prove what he's really worth before committing a half-dozen years at a price that he's not playing up to currently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerme1 Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 DTM About Heart @DTMAboutHeart 10m10 minutes ago @garik16 I'm on the "sign Risto to a healthy long-term deal" bandwagon, but I still don't think he's what most fans think he is. .can't argue with that I can. The guy waffles. blah blah blah not very good blah blah but I'm on the "sign Risto to a healthy long-term deal bandwagon, but I still don't think he's what most fans think he is" Bullcrap cover your nasty ass drivel. what if he turns out to be like a Kalinin who was also a first rounder? Seriously? You wrote that. Seriously? This belongs on your greatest hits compilation. Massive bullcrap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 Risto struggled in his first season as the team's #1, especially in the second half. I don't think anyone should be all too upset if this gets pointed out. He's 21, was in his second pro season, had among the toughest minutes in the entire league, and was partnered with a 3rd pairing caliber defenseman. None of that changes that he was in over his head as a #1, but it does point to caution regarding the numbers when making a projection for the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerme1 Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 Risto struggled in his first season as the team's #1, especially in the second half. I don't think anyone should be all too upset if this gets pointed out. He's 21, was in his second pro season, had among the toughest minutes in the entire league, and was partnered with a 3rd pairing caliber defenseman. None of that changes that he was in over his head as a #1, but it does point to caution regarding the numbers when making a projection for the future. But you would never compare him to Dmitri Kalinin. Am I right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 But you would never mention Dmitri Kalinin as a comparable right? No, no I would not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerme1 Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 No, no I would not. Danka Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norcal Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 I'm not worried about Risto's first two years. All things considered he's right on track in his development which is above average to this point. In todays game it is happening more and more but 18,19,20 year old defensemen don't play top 4 minutes in the nhl against other teams top lines most nights. I have no issue expecting Risto to improve going forward because I think he's the type of player who wants and expects more from himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 I can. The guy waffles. blah blah blah not very good blah blah but I'm on the "sign Risto to a healthy long-term deal bandwagon, but I still don't think he's what most fans think he is" Bullcrap cover your nasty ass drivel. The quote you bolded was my opinion. I did not look up or provide the stat, the Twitter account did. I was presenting it without comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 Risto impressed the hell out of me all year, even when he was struggling. The star potential was there every game. He had a tough time holding the fort in that Penguins game when half our team was dead, but in OT broke up a Crosby play, beat him to the loose puck, and caught a teammate in stride for a chance the other way. You can see it all there. He's got years to put it together, on a typical defenseman's development curve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 Risto impressed the hell out of me all year, even when he was struggling. The star potential was there every game. He had a tough time holding the fort in that Penguins game when half our team was dead, but in OT broke up a Crosby play, beat him to the loose puck, and caught a teammate in stride for a chance the other way. You can see it all there. He's got years to put it together, on a typical defenseman's development curve. I see it too, but I also see him get beat a lot to loose pucks in his end, or get turned the wrong way like on the McDavid OT goal. He needs to continue to improve his speed and quickness, which I think he can. That said, I still wouldn't commit 6 years to him at this stage of his career. I want him to stay motivated and focused on growing as a player instead of turning into the next Tyler Myers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerme1 Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 The quote you bolded was my opinion. I did not look up or provide the stat, the Twitter account did. I was presenting it without comment. Well I thought you were quoting someone. So then I'll ask you, WTF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 Well I thought you were quoting someone. So then I'll ask you, WTF? Risto isn't the definitive God number one we all wish he was. #drivel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 Risto struggled in his first season as the team's #1, especially in the second half. I don't think anyone should be all too upset if this gets pointed out. He's 21, was in his second pro season, had among the toughest minutes in the entire league, and was partnered with a 3rd pairing caliber defenseman. None of that changes that he was in over his head as a #1, but it does point to caution regarding the numbers when making a projection for the future. This. Plus, he a damn good offensive season, despite his defensive struggles. Risto isn't the definitive God number one we all wish he was. #drivel But he's the #1 D we need right now. The D man we deserve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasmus_ Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 Risto isn't the definitive God number one we all wish he was. #drivel True, but he's putting up points, plays a heavy game. The thing that he needs to fix are coachable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 I see it too, but I also see him get beat a lot to loose pucks in his end, or get turned the wrong way like on the McDavid OT goal. He needs to continue to improve his speed and quickness, which I think he can. That said, I still wouldn't commit 6 years to him at this stage of his career. I want him to stay motivated and focused on growing as a player instead of turning into the next Tyler Myers.It's fair to want to be safe. But there isn't any defenseman in the world that doesn't get walked by McDavid there. I've seen Karlsson and Doughty get burned worse by guys going half that speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 Risto struggled in his first season as the team's #1, especially in the second half. I don't think anyone should be all too upset if this gets pointed out. He's 21, was in his second pro season, had among the toughest minutes in the entire league, and was partnered with a 3rd pairing caliber defenseman. None of that changes that he was in over his head as a #1, but it does point to caution regarding the numbers when making a projection for the future. I wonder how his stats compare to other players in similar situations. The best comparable I can think of, other than Ekblad which isn't fair IMO, is Jones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted July 26, 2016 Report Share Posted July 26, 2016 Danny Dekeyser signed a 6-year, $30 million deal in Detroit. There are so many comparables that it seems this should be done already. Either Murray is low balling hardcore or Risto's camp thinks he's Hedman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted July 26, 2016 Report Share Posted July 26, 2016 Danny Dekeyser signed a 6-year, $30 million deal in Detroit. There are so many comparables that it seems this should be done already. Either Murray is low balling hardcore or Risto's camp thinks he's Hedman. Good man with the update - thanks. I am keeping the faith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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