7+6=13 Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 For all involved I hope this is all a big misunderstanding and no further info about either party is leaked during the remainder of the investigation. Its not fair to form opinions either way nor should it be allowed to "leak" info about either party involved. By the time the investigation is complete the "court" of public opinion will have solved this case umpteen thousand ways. Unfortunately public opinion is now used by both sides of a legal argument. These cases are tried in public opinion court on purpose so I'd be careful on blaming the public for having an opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norcal Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 Unfortunately public opinion is now used by both sides of a legal argument. These cases are tried in public opinion court on purpose so I'd be careful on blaming the public for having an opinion.I'm not blaming the public, i'm blaming the system that allows the information to be released to the public before an investigation can be properly conducted. Both parties deserve an unimpeded investigation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3putt Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 I'm not blaming the public, i'm blaming the system that allows the information to be released to the public before an investigation can be properly conducted. Both parties deserve an unimpeded investigation Look the police investigate. Often they do that through questioning. It would be impossible to put a gag order over anyone involved in an investigation. All a reporter has to do to corroborate an investigation is get to two of the people questioned. As long as the public has a fascination for the scintillating and TMZ has a following, these types of stories will generate interest. I do not fault the BPD in this instance. You want find fault with law enforcement, follow what is happening in Chicago. It is mind blowing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norcal Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 Look the police investigate. Often they do that through questioning. It would be impossible to put a gag order over anyone involved in an investigation. All a reporter has to do to corroborate an investigation is get to two of the people questioned. As long as the public has a fascination for the scintillating and TMZ has a following, these types of stories will generate interest. I do not fault the BPD in this instance. You want find fault with law enforcement, follow what is happening in Chicago. It is mind blowing. I guess what I mean is it should be illegal to divulge information about an ongoing case in which charges have not been filed. That's the only fair and just way to keep opinions out of the investigation. After it's been announced that charges were or were not filed, opinion away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 I guess what I mean is it should be illegal to divulge information about an ongoing case in which charges have not been filed. That's the only fair and just way to keep opinions out of the investigation. After it's been announced that charges were or were not filed, opinion away. We have a Constitution in this country and at least one amendment thereto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted December 29, 2015 Report Share Posted December 29, 2015 The investigation is in its preliminary stages, according to a person with direct knowledge of the details who spoke to The Associated Press on the condition of anonymity because officials are not publicly commenting about the case. http://bigstory.ap.org/article/a7ba8f3cedd24baf8e810b10b8e04e17/sabres-kane-says-hes-innocent-amid-sex-crime-investigation This kind of explanation of why anonymity is granted by the media always confounds me. You see it a lot in media reports lately. Lots of questions, but I guess the main one would be, what is the motivation of the leaker? Do News reporters have "walking around" money? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norcal Posted December 29, 2015 Report Share Posted December 29, 2015 We have a Constitution in this country and at least one amendment thereto. Reporters gonna report, opinions gonna opin, I just don't think it allows the legal process to play out in a fair and just way for both parties. The investigation and any facts there in should be private matters until which time that those matters need be public. It should be the law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted December 29, 2015 Report Share Posted December 29, 2015 (edited) This is so shoddy, IMHO. Experts said it is possible for a victim of sexual assault to forget – at least temporarily – what has happened to her. Jessica C. Pirro, chief executive officer of Crisis Services, said any kind of traumatic experience – including a terrible car accident, a shooting or a sexual assault – can have a profound impact on a person’s physical and emotional state. So the person’s memory may be affected, at least in the short term, she suggested. Pirro emphasized that she was talking generally, not specifically about this case. http://sabres.buffalonews.com/2015/12/28/evander-kane-denies-any-wrongdoing-in-encounter-with-20-year-old-woman/ Edited December 29, 2015 by pASabreFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted December 29, 2015 Report Share Posted December 29, 2015 I would guess that the person supplying the info works at the cop shop. I am also guessing this is not the first and it won't be the last time they sell info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted December 29, 2015 Report Share Posted December 29, 2015 Willing to engage the media ethics discussion here, uninterested in engaging the thread topic... There is no buying of info going on. There are relationships within these organizations. There are very few perks to giving information, but if an organization isn't tight with information it certainly widens the web of those in the know... Buffalo isn't a huge city and is chock full of people who are from here or have been here for a very long time. You're bound to catch a few people within who know members of the media. And the next time you see law enforcement puff pieces you can think back to "sources." The old movie scene where a reporter in a trench coat hands a cop a wad of cash at a discreet location isn't an accurate depiction of what's happening with these stories. There's also a strange desire to be a "source." People want to give information and put it out there. While they're not being named it still gives them a rush of some sort. Or a satisfaction knowing that somebody on television is rehung on you for what they're reporting. I'd imagine it's a similar mindset to anonymous or fake Twitter accounts. Many stories, I'm not sure about this one specifically, start out as some random pedestrian who is a friend of a member of the media telling them they saw a police presence or heard some rumors at a restaurant or whatever. I have no clue how the early stages of this specific case's reporting went. Employees in the building were informed the police were there because his car broke down. Now obviously that's a silly explanation for police being there, but it certainly could've started further investigation/questioning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubkev Posted December 29, 2015 Report Share Posted December 29, 2015 The Buffalo PD really calls it The Sex Offense Squad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_sauve28 Posted December 29, 2015 Report Share Posted December 29, 2015 There's also a strange desire to be a "source." People want to give information and put it out there. While they're not being named it still gives them a rush of some sort. Or a satisfaction knowing that somebody on television is rehung on you for what they're reporting. I'd imagine it's a similar mindset to anonymous or fake Twitter accounts. The saying "can't keep a secret" is an old saying for a reason. People have a hard time shutting up! No motivation needed to sing like a canary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabresince70 Posted December 30, 2015 Report Share Posted December 30, 2015 I am having a hard time understanding how they could seize his car w/out a warrant. And how they get the warrant w/out proper paperwork (no report?) I can't imagine writing an affidavit w/out writing a report. Most cases would have multiple supplements (for every action taken after initial contact, but NO report?) I know each department is different, but our affidavit form is IN our report form. Now if they said no complaint has been filed..... (still don't see the seizing of the vehicle, though) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sodbuster Posted December 30, 2015 Report Share Posted December 30, 2015 (edited) I am having a hard time understanding how they could seize his car w/out a warrant. And how they get the warrant w/out proper paperwork (no report?) I can't imagine writing an affidavit w/out writing a report. Most cases would have multiple supplements (for every action taken after initial contact, but NO report?) I know each department is different, but our affidavit form is IN our report form. Now if they said no complaint has been filed..... (still don't see the seizing of the vehicle, though) Are we sure they seized his car, or did he surrender it? If he truly had nothing to hide, and wanted to prove it to the authorities and in the court of public opinion, cooperating fully would be his best course of action. Edited December 30, 2015 by sodbuster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted December 30, 2015 Report Share Posted December 30, 2015 Glad to see some law enforcement show up here. I'm not familiar with the nuances of procedure, but I agree that the media has indicated there's been no report, not that there's been no complaint. It also struck me that the report of a 911 call from the hospital is unattributed. Could that have come from treating medical personnel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spndnchz Posted December 30, 2015 Report Share Posted December 30, 2015 Are we sure they seized his car, or did he surrender it? If he truly had nothing to hide, and wanted to prove it to the authorities and in the court of public opinion, cooperating fully would be his best course of action. I think it was just parked on the street overnight and towed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted December 30, 2015 Report Share Posted December 30, 2015 I think it was just parked on the street overnight and towed. It was parked at the Harborcenter parking lot as it always is as that is his permenent residence. I'm very interested in hearing why the car was towed unless it's evidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJFIVEOH Posted December 30, 2015 Report Share Posted December 30, 2015 Why is somebody that got traded to BFLO over ten months ago, and has 2+ years left on his contract, living in a hotel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted December 30, 2015 Report Share Posted December 30, 2015 Why is somebody that got traded to BFLO over ten months ago, and has 2+ years left on his contract, living in a hotel? Because he wants to? IIRC his "home" is in SoCal. He's a part time resident during the season. I bet lots of players do this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted December 30, 2015 Report Share Posted December 30, 2015 His home is in Vancouver. He may have another home in SoCal, but he was in Vancouver for the majority of his healing from the injury. You know who else lives in a hotel locally? Russell Salvatore. And that guys been here so long his skin has turned into leather. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted December 30, 2015 Report Share Posted December 30, 2015 More than a mansion, I dream of living in a nice hotel. That would be the life. Jeez, even a Hampton Inn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJFIVEOH Posted December 30, 2015 Report Share Posted December 30, 2015 Because he wants to? IIRC his "home" is in SoCal. He's a part time resident during the season. I bet lots of players do this. Well damn, I never thought of that one. :doh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoPre Posted December 30, 2015 Report Share Posted December 30, 2015 And to think he doesn't have any chores. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabresince70 Posted December 30, 2015 Report Share Posted December 30, 2015 (edited) Glad to see some law enforcement show up here. I'm not familiar with the nuances of procedure, but I agree that the media has indicated there's been no report, not that there's been no complaint. It also struck me that the report of a 911 call from the hospital is unattributed. Could that have come from treating medical personnel? It may be a simple wording issue as to "No report", but in every department in the county I work at (Lehigh/PA) a CAD number would be generated for every phone call - not just 911, but found dog, parking complaint, etc... IF an officer is dispatched in any manor (even a point of information dispatch, one where you acknowledge the call, but do not respond (ambulance calls that are non emergency/fire calls for assistance that are in no need of police response etc...) we would have a report (IRF) number. In our case, the report is written before your shift ends (If it is a call that you respond to, barring an emergency that occurs before you clear the call, the report is written before you return to service). I can't imagine a call that is "being investigated" without at least the original "report" being written. To be even more specific, If someone calls county dispatch and says "I want to talk with an officer" and leaves a number for me to call back - even if it is our timing device calibrater- I am writing a report! "returned call from...." Now, if they said the report is not complete, or that nothing more than a preliminary report is written, I guess I could understand it better. We consider the "report" written when the "initial" narrative and "face page" (list of names, locations, times, etc...)is done. Everything else is a "supplement". I know of some departments that don't consider the report "complete" until it goes to the DA. We consider the report "open", but there is a "report". Maybe the lawyers can be more specific as to the warrants (if they seized his car) but our DA, and our magistrates, will want the "report number" (and some want copies of the face page and narrative) along with the affidavit of probable cause. I can't believe NY would not need the same - what you expect to find, where the information came from, why it is credible .... And, if any evidence is collected in anyway, it would have the report number listed - oh hell I am not even going to bring up bags/boxes and such again..... Edited December 30, 2015 by Sabresince70 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted December 30, 2015 Report Share Posted December 30, 2015 Well damn, I never thought of that one. :doh: Ask stupid questions........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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