Sabel79 Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 Athletic ability, at the elite level, is a commodity with a short shelf-life. Anybody good enough to pursue pro sports should do so at the earliest point possible. College / Junior is all well and good, but an athlete is only ever one catastrophic injury away from having the door closed forever. If you can play, and earn as much as you can, do it. If the individual is not mature enough to handle it, the flameout happens regardless. How many of us know people who lasted one year in college max? I can't understand questioning any kid whose is demonstrably capable from doing what's best for him, career-wise. Any team, or school for that matter, would come at it from the opposite angle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 (edited) I can't find anything that suggests he didn't finish his high school requirements. Oh, I have no facts! I just thought that was Pi's point - as opposed to a "college is for everyone" point. Someone said it best .... He and his family made their decision .... I'm down. Edited February 9, 2016 by N'eo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 Oh, I have no facts! I just thought that was Pi's point - as opposed to a "college is for everyone" point. I know. I was simply using your post to add context to mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 You crazy kids. Talk about taking the bait :p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 I'm convinced. So I'm lighting a candle in prayer that the Sabres avoid winning the lottery. This Matthews kid has bad news written all over him. And I do mean ALL over. Manziel? Psssh. Kid stuff. #hideyowife #hideyokids Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 So they describe Laine as being the consensus #2 and being a pure goal scorer. Looks like something we need alongside Samson. Puljujarvi the one with the better overall game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 To be fair, McKenzie says Laine is the clear consensus over Puljujarvi but then says seven of ten scouts had him over Puljujarvi... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 To be fair, McKenzie says Laine is the clear consensus over Puljujarvi but then says seven of ten scouts had him over Puljujarvi... ...what? :huh: I still like Pujmyjarvi, because of his IQ and speed. Laine is bigger with the better shot, but I'm a sucker for the smart guys on the ice. So they describe Laine as being the consensus #2 and being a pure goal scorer. Looks like something we need alongside Samson. Puljujarvi the one with the better overall game. Pure goal scorer like Corey Perry is, or like Evander Kane/Vanek are? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabresith Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 All I want is one of the Finns. But can't decide which one I like more. I will say this though, after watching highlight videos of the Finnish league those gold helmets are ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 I think Laine's shot is the best shot to get drafted since Stamkos, and Puljujarvi's lack of finish bothers me a little, relative to Laine's. I'd obviously still love either but I'd take Laine at 2 if we picked there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetterDays06 Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 How many picks do we have in this years draft?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabresith Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 I think Laine's shot is the best shot to get drafted since Stamkos, and Puljujarvi's lack of finish bothers me a little, relative to Laine's. I'd obviously still love either but I'd take Laine at 2 if we picked there. Thanks, for the insight on these two. The only thing I was able to see is Laine has a wicked slapper and Puljujarvi has the speed that you look for. Everything else seemed pretty even. Who is the more physical between the two? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spndnchz Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 How many picks do we have in this years draft?? 11 I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 Why settle for just one? Let's just trade McGinn, Legwand's negotiating rights and Catenacci for a top-3 pick. For this team, I think I'd rather have Laine than Puljujarvi because outside of Jack, we don't have any high end finishers. Reinhart and O'Reilly are better distributors than shooters, Kane is a volume scorer, then we have a bunch of garbage collectors. We really need a pure scorer in our top-6. That said, going for the all around game and skating that Puljujarvi brings certainly isn't a bad idea in today's NHL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 11 I think. Yes: 1, 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 5, 5, 6, 7, 7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woods-racer Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 All I want is one of the Finns. But can't decide which one I like more. I will say this though, after watching highlight videos of the Finnish league those gold helmets are ridiculous. luderus. Need to channel your inner Rob Ray! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 (edited) Oh, I have no facts! I just thought that was Pi's point - as opposed to a "college is for everyone" point. Someone said it best .... He and his family made their decision .... I'm down. Yes, thank you. College isn't for everyone. My point is that if I'm the GM with #1 overall pick, I'm going to spend some extra time studying the reasoning behind his decision to play in Europe. Is he motivated by money? Does he have dreams of winning a Stanley Cup? Or is he just motivated by money? The decision to go play for money at such a young age raises those questions. Maybe he is motivated by money and doesn't have Stanley Cup dreams since he grew up in the desert. That's OK, I'm not saying he's a bad kid... although we don't know enough about him to make that judgement, his decision to chase the $$$ at a young age raises those questions. I would've liked to see him finish his studies and play one year of college. Why didn't he do that? Because of where he's from? Or because he values money more than anything else? Will his play drop off after his he signs a large contract? Or is he motivated by winning? His Mom is mexican. Edited February 9, 2016 by pi2000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPie Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 Yes, thank you. College isn't for everyone. My point is that if I'm the GM with #1 overall pick, I'm going to spend some extra time studying the reasoning behind his decision to play in Europe. Is he motivated by money? Does he have dreams of winning a Stanley Cup? Or is he just motivated by money? The decision to go play for money at such a young age raises those questions. Maybe he is motivated by money and doesn't have Stanley Cup dreams since he grew up in the desert. That's OK, I'm not saying he's a bad kid... although we don't know enough about him to make that judgement, his decision to chase the $$$ at a young age raises those questions. I would've liked to see him finish his studies and play one year of college. Why didn't he do that? Because of where he's from? Or because he values money more than anything else? Will his play drop off after his he signs a large contract? Or is he motivated by winning? His Mom is mexican. There are a lot of scenarios, but if you tell some kid, "you can either play for essentially free and hopefully not get broken", or "you can play for good money against (probably) better competition and hopefully not get broken", the choice isn't going to be that hard for many. The primary argument against this is, "but that's not what everyone else does", be that either CHL or NCAA. Bold: and that matters how? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 MattPie, on 09 Feb 2016 - 1:01 PM, said:Bold: and that matters how? TrueBlueGED, on 08 Feb 2016 - 10:41 PM, said:You crazy kids. Talk about taking the bait :P We've been trolled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabresith Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 Need to channel your inner Rob Ray! Nice! Going to try and fit luderus into five conversations this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 There are a lot of scenarios, but if you tell some kid, "you can either play for essentially free and hopefully not get broken", or "you can play for good money against (probably) better competition and hopefully not get broken", the choice isn't going to be that hard for many. The primary argument against this is, "but that's not what everyone else does", be that either CHL or NCAA. Bold: and that matters how? Look, I'm not saying he made the wrong decision. My point is that his decision is unique and it raises questions that need to be answered. 99.9% of hockey phenoms grow up in areas where they dream of playing major junior or college hockey. Did he choose Europe because of where he's from? Or is he just chasing the money? Those are questions that Jack didn't need to answer. What's his Mom and Dad like? What do they value? Does that influence his decision making? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrico Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 Look, I'm not saying he made the wrong decision. My point is that his decision is unique and it raises questions that need to be answered. 99.9% of hockey phenoms grow up in areas where they dream of playing major junior or college hockey. Did he choose Europe because of where he's from? Or is he just chasing the money? Those are questions that Jack didn't need to answer. What's his Mom and Dad like? What do they value? Does that influence his decision making? I'm pretty sure that's the same vetting process for every single draft pick. Especially all first rounders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader1969 Posted February 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 Thanks, for the insight on these two. The only thing I was able to see is Laine has a wicked slapper and Puljujarvi has the speed that you look for. Everything else seemed pretty even. Who is the more physical between the two? there is no comparison here: Laine is a physical force, just ask team Canada at the WJC as he destroyed them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 Why settle for just one? Let's just trade McGinn, Legwand's negotiating rights and Catenacci for a top-3 pick. For this team, I think I'd rather have Laine than Puljujarvi because outside of Jack, we don't have any high end finishers. Reinhart and O'Reilly are better distributors than shooters, Kane is a volume scorer, then we have a bunch of garbage collectors. We really need a pure scorer in our top-6. That said, going for the all around game and skating that Puljujarvi brings certainly isn't a bad idea in today's NHL. Good points. Although I will say that even though Jack is a high end finisher, his best asset is still his playmaking. That is why pairing him with a real finisher like Laine would be such an ideal match. Puljujarvi too, really, as he obviously does have good finishing ability as well, just maybe not quite as much as Laine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 Bryce Harper and Auston Matthews' circumstances couldn't be further apart. Harper got his GED early so he could play college ball early and be eligible for the MLB draft sooner This was a good catch, sorry I missed it. Honestly I didn't know much outside of Harper other than he fast-tracked his education. Either way, he forewent some level of education to play professional ball faster and make more money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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