LastPommerFan Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 That is the most mis-represented piece of Belichek history ever. The Bills shredded that defense. The problem was two fold, Levy wouldn't force Kelly to keep pounding Thomas and the defense couldn't make a tackle to save their lives. If either of those things happened, cheating Bill would have been forced to explain his defensive strategy that had his defensive lineman sucking air as Thurman ran through them like a warm knife through butter. What if he knew Kelly would do exactly what Kelly did? What if he had been spying for 20 years when he finally got caught? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 (edited) @zkeefer: Chuck Pagano says that starting running back Frank Gore will be on a pitch count, at least to start the season. Need him for playoffs. Colt's #2 CB is out against the Bills @HolderStephen: I have no expectation Greg Toler (neck) will play for #Colts on Sunday, but injury is not a long-term one based on what I've heard. Edited September 10, 2015 by WildCard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 That is the most mis-represented piece of Belichek history ever. The Bills shredded that defense. The problem was two fold, Levy wouldn't force Kelly to keep pounding Thomas and the defense couldn't make a tackle to save their lives. If either of those things happened, cheating Bill would have been forced to explain his defensive strategy that had his defensive lineman sucking air as Thurman ran through them like a warm knife through butter. Quoted for truth. How anyone can think a defense that yielded a point a minute to an opposing offense played well is beyond me. That gimmicky 2-5 front was tailor made for TT to run the rock right at them; our Oline would have feasted on the leverage of run blocking against standing D linemen. One oor two series of that and Belichick would have been forced to alter his plans. But Kelly's ego got in the way. Marv and Marchibroda should have chewed his ass out and demanded he run the ball. GO BILLS!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 I don't think we can really claim that the Bills' offense shredded the Giants' D if the Bills were only able to hold the ball for 19 minutes. My recollection is that Andre Reed had a few killer drops. And that Thurman was incredible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 I don't think we can really claim that the Bills' offense shredded the Giants' D if the Bills were only able to hold the ball for 19 minutes. My recollection is that Andre Reed had a few killer drops. And that Thurman was incredible. A defense that allowed the Giants to keep the ball for 41 minutes is what prevented our offense from more possession time. We were a hurry-up offense, anyway. But to put up a point a minute, regardless of Reed's drops, was not indicative of a great Giants defense. Quite the contrary. Our defense, Kelly's ego, and our coaches, in that order, lost that game. Belichick got lucky. And Thurman got ripped off. GO BILLS!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 Playing "not to lose" in a single game that your starter broke (IF that even happens) is not the same as playing Jauron-ball. This is simply smart. It is a hedge plain & simple. This team has a very real shot at making the playoffs, it would be foolhardy to double down in-game if TT goes down. This absolutely is not the same as naming Cassel the #1. THAT would be Jauron-ball. Did you not see the Cleveland game that EJ got broken? Having a QB that could have had even a 65 QBR, rather than a shell-shocked Jeff Tuel, and the Bills win that game. This is insurance that EJ doesn't end up a mid-game Tuel. Yeah, now that I've had some time to think about it, the move makes sense. I see Cassel being Reich to Taylor's Kelly- kind of a player-coach. But if TT goes down and Cassel steps in, I think EJ would start the next game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 A defense that allowed the Giants to keep the ball for 41 minutes is what prevented our offense from more possession time. We were a hurry-up offense, anyway. But to put up a point a minute, regardless of Reed's drops, was not indicative of a great Giants defense. Quite the contrary. Our defense, Kelly's ego, and our coaches, in that order, lost that game. Belichick got lucky. And Thurman got ripped off. GO BILLS!!! I disagree with most of this. The Bills' D gave up 20 points -- not great but not terrible. Bottom line is that the Giants' D beat the Bills' offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 I disagree with most of this. The Bills' D gave up 20 points -- not great but not terrible. Bottom line is that the Giants' D beat the Bills' offense. I disagree with all of this as well. GO BILLS!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 Actually Phil McKonkie(sp?) on a third and forever beat the Bills that day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 Actually Phil McKonkie(sp?) on a third and forever beat the Bills that day. Was it McConkey or Stephen Baker? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 McConkey didn't do much but play STs and wave his towel. Baker scored in the red zone on a 3rd and long, iirc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 I'm pretty sure Phil caught a third and long pass. Down right sideline. Bills had them like 3rd and 19 and he caught a 21 yard pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 I'm pretty sure Phil caught a third and long pass. Down right sideline. Bills had them like 3rd and 19 and he caught a 21 yard pass. hmm. actually, as i think on this further, i don't even think mcconkey was on the giants team that the bills played in XXV. his big game was a few years prior to that -- in another SB -- when he caught the long bomb from simms (off of a trick play, i believe) and also a fluky TD (tipped pass?). i can't look it up now, but i think mcconkey wasn't even in the league when the bills played the giants in '91. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 Should we rename this thread Buffalo Bills 1990? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 (edited) hmm. actually, as i think on this further, i don't even think mcconkey was on the giants team that the bills played in XXV. his big game was a few years prior to that -- in another SB -- when he caught the long bomb from simms (off of a trick play, i believe) and also a fluky TD (tipped pass?). i can't look it up now, but i think mcconkey wasn't even in the league when the bills played the giants in '91. You're right. I checked. Someone caught that pass. I guess I am not correctly remembering who it was. All these years I swore it was Phil. Edit: Hostetler to Ingram on 3-13 for a first down that ultimately resulted in the go ahead TD. If they held them there, it was a long field goal (47 yards) and Buffalo would have been trailing 13-12, not 17-12. Edited September 10, 2015 by wjag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 (edited) Thank the lord: Schefter says Bills signed Marcel Dareus to a six-year, $108 million extension, per source. Marcel Dareus' deal includes $60 million in guaranteed money, highest guarantee for a non-QB in NFL history. Dareus suspended week 1, too. Edited September 10, 2015 by Hoss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 (edited) You're right. I checked. Someone caught that pass. I guess I am not correctly remembering who it was. All these years I swore it was Phil. Edit: Hostetler to Ingram on 3-13 for a first down that ultimately resulted in the go ahead TD. If they held them there, it was a long field goal (47 yards) and Buffalo would have been trailing 13-12, not 17-12. Man - good memory (even if the names were wrong). That was a very key play, as you note. Thank the lord: Schefter says Bills signed Marcel Dareus to a six-year, $108 million extension, per source. Marcel Dareus' deal includes $60 million in guaranteed money, highest guarantee for a non-QB in NFL history. Edited September 10, 2015 by That Aud Smell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 Signing Dareus just further confirms (for me) that the Pegulas are the sort of owners you want -- when it's time to shell out big money, they find a way to get it done. I'm not so sure Dareus would've been signed under prior ownership(s) (there was Ralph, and then that period of time when it was sort of Ralph, sort of not). In my view, if you want to build a contender, you need to retain your elite talents at key positions like DT. Yes, he's done some dumb sh!t. I'm not trying to worry about that stuff. Dareus is an absolute beast, and I love that he's a Bill long-term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 Signing Dareus just further confirms (for me) that the Pegulas are the sort of owners you want -- when it's time to shell out big money, they find a way to get it done. I'm not so sure Dareus would've been signed under prior ownership(s) (there was Ralph, and then that period of time when it was sort of Ralph, sort of not). In my view, if you want to build a contender, you need to retain your elite talents at key positions like DT. Yes, he's done some dumb sh!t. I'm not trying to worry about that stuff. Dareus is an absolute beast, and I love that he's a Bill long-term. At the very least, he may now feel comfortable spending more for better weed :p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksndmonster Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 At the very least, he may now feel comfortable spending more for better weed :P Wasn't it synthetic weed? I'm just worried that this contract is a gateway to bad things. I'm predicting that Dareus demolishes a Dunkin Donuts before he plays and gets 4 sacks week 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 Thank the lord: Schefter says Bills signed Marcel Dareus to a six-year, $108 million extension, per source. Marcel Dareus' deal includes $60 million in guaranteed money, highest guarantee for a non-QB in NFL history. Dareus suspended week 1, too. Be careful what you wish for. There is a non-negligible risk that this contract turns out to be a debacle. Signing Dareus just further confirms (for me) that the Pegulas are the sort of owners you want -- when it's time to shell out big money, they find a way to get it done. I'm not so sure Dareus would've been signed under prior ownership(s) (there was Ralph, and then that period of time when it was sort of Ralph, sort of not). In my view, if you want to build a contender, you need to retain your elite talents at key positions like DT. OTOH, I agree with all of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted September 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 Very pleased w/ the Dareus signing. Good to see the Bills continuing the new trend of identifying key personnel and actually retaining them. Considering all the family tragedy he was dealing w/ not OVERLY concerned w/ his past transgressions. He seems to be getting his head on straight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 (edited) Schopp's on the Twitter snarking about how the NFL is "an interior DL league." Meaning, the Bills are missing the boat because it's a QB driven league. There's some truth to what he's saying, but, as usual, he goes about it in a way that just annoys the spit out of me. I think he makes the list of people I would pay to punch in the face, or pay to watch be punched in the face (I am not a good puncher, and do not want to break my handy-hand). Anyhoo. The "this is a QB league" dogma seemed to take a hit -- or something like it -- when the WSJ published this piece. Whaley and Rex get a lot of run in it, btw. http://www.wsj.com/articles/why-the-nfl-has-a-quarterback-crisis-1441819454 Edited September 10, 2015 by That Aud Smell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 (edited) Bills only signed Dareus to take the spotlight away from the Sabres signing Franson. :rolleyes: Edited September 10, 2015 by PromoTheRobot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 Bills only signed Dareus to take the spotlight away from the Sabres signing Franson. :rolleyes: One-Up-alo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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