BarDown Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Without intending to wade into the handedness debate (ewww) upthread, it looks like you have two LWs on the RW (Leino and Foligno). I think that's sorta the problem. Yes, we have no RWs. Oh, and the older of those two LWs doesn't have a right hip. I've been coaching and playing hockey a long time...usually changing which wing you play isn't that big of a deal...going from wing to center IS a big deal, mainly because centers usually have to be more defensively responsible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted April 18, 2013 Report Share Posted April 18, 2013 Can't recall where I saw X post it, but he made a comment not too long ago about Foligno--something like "he's a power forward, sometimes those guys just go cold. it happens." Well, to that point, it would appear that Sabres Nation's public enemy #1 is at risk of being a healthy scratch. Updated Lucic post, with Julien saying he might scratch him Friday vs. Penguins http://bigbadblog.weei.com/sports/boston/hockey/bruins/2013/04/18/milan-lucic-wouldnt-blame-claude-julien-for-making-him-a-healthy-scratch/ … via @WEEI #Bruins https://twitter.com/DJ_Bean/status/324950849656877056 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted April 18, 2013 Report Share Posted April 18, 2013 OK -- I'm updating my optimistic scenario: LeCavelier-Vanek-Bobby Ryan Hodgson-Ennis-Leino Porter-Foligno-Ott Larsson-Kaleta-Scott/Gerbe Ehrhoff-Sekera Myers-New good defenseman Weber-Pysyk/Ruhwedel Updated assumptions: - Ducks will be open to trading Ryan for high-end picks/prospects, plus perhaps Sekera (in which case the D rotation above gets shuffled), due to budget constraints, having just committed to $16MM+ for Perry and Getzlaf. - TB will be open to trading Vinny due to cap constraints and desire to rid themselves of giant albatross contract. Having just traded for Lindback and Bishop, and needing cap space, I doubt they will want to trade for Miller. Also, Vinny's market value isn't very high right now due to age, declining production and contract -- so I think they will live with high end picks/prospects in return. (Also -- I think GoDD is right that TP is going to try to swing for the fences again this summer, and Vinny -- a big #1 center with a ton of offensive talent -- makes a lot of sense). - Vanek will sign an extension to play with those 2 as his linemates - Neither Griggy nor Armia will be ready for prime time - Porter will do fine as the #3 center - Either Pysyk or Ruweedeater, but not both, will hit a sophomore slump but the other will be fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted April 18, 2013 Report Share Posted April 18, 2013 - Either Pysyk or Ruweedeater, but not both, will hit a sophomore slump but the other will be fine It is bound to happen to both at some time.....I'm okay with that though. That's why you have 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted April 21, 2013 Report Share Posted April 21, 2013 I wonder what kind of contract Mike Ribeiro will command as a UFA this offseason? He'd make a pretty damned good 1a pivot with Hodgson. At 33 he is a ppg player for Washington this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted April 21, 2013 Report Share Posted April 21, 2013 I wonder what kind of contract Mike Ribeiro will command as a UFA this offseason? He'd make a pretty damned good 1a pivot with Hodgson. At 33 he is a ppg player for Washington this season. I'm with Drane on this one, they swing for the fences, with so so results. I'm think Ovechkin or Bobby Ryan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted April 21, 2013 Report Share Posted April 21, 2013 I'm with Drane on this one, they swing for the fences, with so so results. I'm think Ovechkin or Bobby Ryan. Still need another center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted April 21, 2013 Report Share Posted April 21, 2013 Still need another center. Grigs, Larsson or Gears? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LastPommerFan Posted April 21, 2013 Report Share Posted April 21, 2013 I'm with Drane on this one, they swing for the fences, with so so results. I'm think Ovechkin or Bobby Ryan. This is what you want, or this is what you think will happen. Still need another center. 42 will fill the 2nd line slot just fine. :ph34r: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted April 21, 2013 Report Share Posted April 21, 2013 Grigs, Larsson or Gears? I'm expecting that none of them will be near ready for a #2 role next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted April 21, 2013 Report Share Posted April 21, 2013 This is what you want, or this is what you think will happen. Lecavalier and Ryan would be more likely. If be happy with either just to break up the monotony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetterDays06 Posted May 15, 2013 Report Share Posted May 15, 2013 Vanek-Hodgson- Bobby Ryan(or his type) Foligno-Grigs-Ennis Flynn-Ott-? Kaleta-Tropp-Scott We need to add some talent for the first line and a winger for the 3rd. Get rid of stafford, Gerbe and Leino whether it be picks or trades. Myers-Ehrhoff Weber-Sekera Mcnabb-Sulzer extras:Pardy-Ruhwedel We need a big name dman. I would be willing to give up sekera and a prospect to get a big named Dman. Enroth-bring in a another goalie. I know we have Hackett and Leggio, But I would want a veteran presence behind enroth. I think miller can fetch a number 1 and a roster player. Use miller to bring in a top 6 forward or a top 3 Dman. Thoughts anyone?? I know we have a lot of draft picks this year and I think they will utilize them to try and move up in the draft, So I see Darcy trying to trade players for players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trettioåtta Posted May 15, 2013 Report Share Posted May 15, 2013 Vanek-Hodgson- Bobby Ryan(or his type) Foligno-Grigs-Ennis Flynn-Ott-? Kaleta-Tropp-Scott We need to add some talent for the first line and a winger for the 3rd. Get rid of stafford, Gerbe and Leino whether it be picks or trades. Myers-Ehrhoff Weber-Sekera Mcnabb-Sulzer extras:Pardy-Ruhwedel We need a big name dman. I would be willing to give up sekera and a prospect to get a big named Dman. Enroth-bring in a another goalie. I know we have Hackett and Leggio, But I would want a veteran presence behind enroth. I think miller can fetch a number 1 and a roster player. Use miller to bring in a top 6 forward or a top 3 Dman. Thoughts anyone?? I know we have a lot of draft picks this year and I think they will utilize them to try and move up in the draft, So I see Darcy trying to trade players for players. Ryan isn't great in the playoffs (15 points in 26 games). I still don't get why people like him so much. He is a 60 point player who is lazy and doesn't play great defence Foligno proved he isn't ready for the second line Leino played well this year and we really need top-6 forwards Grigs on the second line isn't great, but i'm not sure we have a choice What about Pysyk? Hackett must make it to the NHL soon right? He is ready for a back-up role and you have to think he was brought in for a reason We need a 4th line centre I like Kaleta and Tropp on the 4th line, but aren't they both RW? Side note. Is Stafford our only real RW now? We also have Tropp and Kaleta, but both are 4th liners Leino, Ennis, Foligno, Vanek, Ott are all LW if they play wing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 Trade Miller, Vanek, Stafford, and Gerbe FORWARDS Tyler Ennis ($2.813m) / Cody Hodgson ($4.000m) / Nathan Horton ($5.750m) Steve Ott ($2.950m) / Mikhail Grigorenko ($1.775m) / Ville Leino ($4.500m) Brenden Morrow ($3.450m) / Marcus Foligno ($0.900m) / Brian Flynn ($1.500m) Kevin Porter ($0.538m) / Patrick Kaleta ($1.250m) DEFENSEMEN Tyler Myers ($5.500m) / Christian Ehrhoff ($4.000m) Andrej Sekera ($2.750m) / Chad Ruhwedel ($0.975m) Mark Pysyk ($0.870m) / Mike Weber ($1.750m) Alexander Sulzer ($0.825m) / GOALTENDERS Jhonas Enroth ($1.500m) Matthew Hackett ($1.000m) Figure out if Grigs needs more time to grow up, if so send to AHL Horton is a must along with at least 1 veteran forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 Trade Miller, Vanek, Stafford, and Gerbe FORWARDS Tyler Ennis ($2.813m) / Cody Hodgson ($4.000m) / Nathan Horton ($5.750m) Steve Ott ($2.950m) / Mikhail Grigorenko ($1.775m) / Ville Leino ($4.500m) Brenden Morrow ($3.450m) / Marcus Foligno ($0.900m) / Brian Flynn ($1.500m) Kevin Porter ($0.538m) / Patrick Kaleta ($1.250m) DEFENSEMEN Tyler Myers ($5.500m) / Christian Ehrhoff ($4.000m) Andrej Sekera ($2.750m) / Chad Ruhwedel ($0.975m) Mark Pysyk ($0.870m) / Mike Weber ($1.750m) Alexander Sulzer ($0.825m) / GOALTENDERS Jhonas Enroth ($1.500m) Matthew Hackett ($1.000m) Figure out if Grigs needs more time to grow up, if so send to AHL Horton is a must along with at least 1 veteran forward. I hate that roster. That is a playing-for-last-place roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 I hate that roster. That is a playing-for-last-place roster. What if you keep Vanek then? Trade Enroth + a late 1st/a 2nd rounder + 2nd next year for Bernier thus: FORWARDS Thomas Vanek ($7.143m) / Cody Hodgson ($4.000m) / Nathan Horton ($5.750m) Tyler Ennis ($2.813m) / Rookie Player ($1.500m) / Ville Leino ($4.500m) Steve Ott ($2.950m) / Mikhail Grigorenko ($1.775m) / Brian Flynn ($1.200m) Kevin Porter ($0.538m) / Marcus Foligno ($0.900m) / Patrick Kaleta ($1.250m) DEFENSEMEN Tyler Myers ($5.500m) / Andrej Sekera ($2.750m) Christian Ehrhoff ($4.000m) / Alexander Sulzer ($0.825m) Mike Weber ($1.750m) / Mark Pysyk ($0.870m) Chad Ruhwedel ($0.975m) / GOALTENDERS Jonathan Bernier ($3.525m) Matthew Hackett ($1.000m) OTHER Buried: Cody McCormick ($0.275m) RETAINED SALARY TRANSACTIONS (1.858% of upper limit) Jason Pominville ($0.795m—0.2%) Drew Stafford ($0.400m—10.0%) ------ CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter) (these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion) SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $56,982,857; BONUSES: $850,000 CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $8,167,143 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 I hate that roster. That is a playing-for-last-place roster. They really need to plan better....we should be constructing a playing-for-last-place roster in 2014 for the McDavid sweeps! ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaLaLaFontaine Posted May 18, 2013 Report Share Posted May 18, 2013 If Chicago loses the current series against Detroit, what about a trade for Kane. Thia is only a topic, if bad goaltending is the root cause for a Chicago loss against Detroit. We give them Miller and Vanek for Kane and X and retain some salary. Realistic? What about Miller, Ennis and a pick for Kane and retain some salary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted May 18, 2013 Report Share Posted May 18, 2013 If Chicago loses the current series against Detroit, what about a trade for Kane. Thia is only a topic, if bad goaltending is the root cause for a Chicago loss against Detroit. We give them Miller and Vanek for Kane and X and retain some salary. Realistic? What about Miller, Ennis and a pick for Kane and retain some salary? I think you are over valuing Kane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaLaLaFontaine Posted May 19, 2013 Report Share Posted May 19, 2013 It depends on the X. But Kane is young and his contacts runs for i think three more years. But maybe you are right. What do you think he is worth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted May 19, 2013 Report Share Posted May 19, 2013 It depends on the X. But Kane is young and his contacts runs for i think three more years. But maybe you are right. What do you think he is worth? If its miller + vanek for Kane + 2014 1st or saad. We are rebuilding , not dumping our biggest assets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted May 20, 2013 Report Share Posted May 20, 2013 It was interesting to hear Darcy talk about how he would think Makarov would challenge for a job in Rochester and it sounded like he expects him to make it. Also interesting is hearing him talk about Enroth, his growth and consistency as well as his ability to be a #1 nhl netminder. Brian Duff: "Do you see him now as someone who is ready to be a fulltime #1 NHL netminder?" Darcy Regier: "I think he can be, I really do believe he has the ability to be a #1 goaltender in the NHL." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spndnchz Posted May 20, 2013 Report Share Posted May 20, 2013 It was interesting to hear Darcy talk about how he would think Makarov would challenge for a job in Rochester and it sounded like he expects him to make it. Also interesting is hearing him talk about Enroth, his growth and consistency as well as his ability to be a #1 nhl netminder. Brian Duff: "Do you see him now as someone who is ready to be a fulltime #1 NHL netminder?" Darcy Regier: "I think he can be, I really do believe he has the ability to be a #1 goaltender in the NHL." So if Miller and Enroth get the same money (hypothetically) you'd go with Enroth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted May 20, 2013 Report Share Posted May 20, 2013 So if Miller and Enroth get the same money (hypothetically) you'd go with Enroth? Its the off-season and Enroth is allowed to be a legit number one goalie. Stop asking the tough questions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spndnchz Posted May 20, 2013 Report Share Posted May 20, 2013 Its the off-season and Enroth is allowed to be a legit number one goalie. Stop asking the tough questions! But but but with all the money they spent on Big John we won't be able to pay Miller!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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