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42 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

I honestly do not think anyone would claim UPL. Comrie is a tiny maybe for a team like Tampa but people grossly overvalue UPL's worth around here. 

Well, the silver lining in losing UPL to waivers is if he is claimed the claiming team needs to get him into 10 games (dressing as the backup counts) or keep him up for at least 30 days before sending him down or else the Sabres jump to the front of the line to reclaim him.  (After any other teams that made a claim at that time.)

So, if the Sabres really want him back, they'll likely be able to do so.  And if they aren't able to reclaim him, he still may be helping the Sabres by losing games for a TB or other rival.

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20 hours ago, thewookie1 said:

The Wild just handed Foligno a 4x4mil extension that will take him through until he’s 36, ouch

Amazing how some teams (unlike the Sabres) value what he brings isn't it.

The "ouch" is for everyone who plays against him. Well deserved contract. True leaders with his grit are hard to find. 

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1 minute ago, PerreaultForever said:

Amazing how some teams (unlike the Sabres) value what he brings isn't it.

The "ouch" is for everyone who plays against him. Well deserved contract. True leaders with his grit are hard to find. 

His leadership and present value is worth his present contract.

He'll be making 4mil per for his 33,34,35,and 36 year old seasons. His style of play isn't exactly known for longevity and continued health. 

The ouch is that this is a 4 year extension, so he's now locked in for 5 years which generally only contains loss of ability.

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5 hours ago, thewookie1 said:

His leadership and present value is worth his present contract.

He'll be making 4mil per for his 33,34,35,and 36 year old seasons. His style of play isn't exactly known for longevity and continued health. 

The ouch is that this is a 4 year extension, so he's now locked in for 5 years which generally only contains loss of ability.

AND he is exactly what this team is missing. 

If he was a free agent I would have given him that to be here in a heartbeat. Yes, it'll be an overpay in the last year or two, but it would still be worth it. 

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4 hours ago, Buffalonill said:

The fans aren't happy 

 

So....

https://forums.hfboards.com/threads/foligno-extension-4-x-4m.2941654/

Those HFBoards are garbage. Full of kids who know nothing and lots of trolls who just hate everything.  You want a real laugh go check out the Flyers version. 

Kyle Okposo was making 6 mil here for 11 goals last year. About 30 pts. a year on average. We offered him up another 3 million and everybody went yay the captain's back. By comparison, also adding what Foligno brings in terms of physicality, how is this contract not okay?

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24 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

Those HFBoards are garbage. Full of kids who know nothing and lots of trolls who just hate everything.  You want a real laugh go check out the Flyers version. 

Kyle Okposo was making 6 mil here for 11 goals last year. About 30 pts. a year on average. We offered him up another 3 million and everybody went yay the captain's back. By comparison, also adding what Foligno brings in terms of physicality, how is this contract not okay?

Points of fact: the GM who traded Foligno is no longer here; our current GM has said publicly that we need to get tougher.

The point of looking at the reactions on HFBoards is to get a read on a wide range of representative passionate fans of each fan base.  Each fan base has nattering nabobs of negativity; a uniform dislike of a team decision is unusual.

Your comparison with Okposo fails on one important difference: Okposo's contract is for this coming year while Foligno's is for 4 years starting next year.  That is 5 years out.  It is likely to be a buyout candidate halfway through.  Minnesota fans are kind of tired of dealing with buyouts.

I like Foligno and what he brings more than most.  But that contract looks dubious to me.

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On 9/29/2023 at 5:44 PM, thewookie1 said:

The Wild just handed Foligno a 4x4mil extension that will take him through until he’s 36, ouch

I think for hes still good for 10-15 goals per 82 games. Toughness, leadership/great guy in the room.  Is $4m a little bit much for someone who misses a lot of games and probably is at most a 15 goal scorer? Yes, but its also not going to break your cap.

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2 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

Those HFBoards are garbage. Full of kids who know nothing and lots of trolls who just hate everything.  You want a real laugh go check out the Flyers version. 

Kyle Okposo was making 6 mil here for 11 goals last year. About 30 pts. a year on average. We offered him up another 3 million and everybody went yay the captain's back. By comparison, also adding what Foligno brings in terms of physicality, how is this contract not okay?

It’s the term, not the dollars.  They feel like they gave him a fair salary, but too many years, and an MNTC on top of it.  They think if there was going to be so much term, there shouldn’t have been any trade protection, or if they were going to give trade protection, then the term should have been less.  Especially for a deal being given out a year early.

Comparing Okposo’s one year deal to this 4 year deal doesn’t really fly.

Also, in a vacuum, it’s probably an okish deal, but their team is carrying $15 in dead cap space for the next couple seasons, and the fan base is concerned that Guerin is going to keep them perpetually cap hamstrung for the foreseeable future with deals like this.

It’s not the worst deal ever but there are definitely reasons not to like it.

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The Okposo/Foligno comp does not compute.

Foligno's deal will start in his age 33 season and pays like a 2nd/3rd liner for 3rd line production and one abnormally high 42-point campaign. They're paying above market value for an extension vs. what he would have made as a UFA next offseason.

Okposo signed his big deal to begin his age 28 season after 3 consecutive .81+ ppg seasons. He was getting a 1st line deal as a UFA that year. Okposo's new deal is 2.5 for 1 year, like a Cizikas or any other legit veteran 4th liner who can play extended minutes, even slot into a PP2 at need, and also wear a letter.

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7 hours ago, Marvin said:

Points of fact: the GM who traded Foligno is no longer here; our current GM has said publicly that we need to get tougher.

The point of looking at the reactions on HFBoards is to get a read on a wide range of representative passionate fans of each fan base.  Each fan base has nattering nabobs of negativity; a uniform dislike of a team decision is unusual.

Your comparison with Okposo fails on one important difference: Okposo's contract is for this coming year while Foligno's is for 4 years starting next year.  That is 5 years out.  It is likely to be a buyout candidate halfway through.  Minnesota fans are kind of tired of dealing with buyouts.

I like Foligno and what he brings more than most.  But that contract looks dubious to me.

Ya but Marcus is 32 and Kyle is 35. A 4 year deal might be a year too long but if it's the price to get him I would have done it. So the comparison holds comparing ages. 

As for KA saying we need to get tougher that's great, but he hasn't really done anything about it. I guess Cliffy makes us a little tougher but not all that much. I can almost guarantee you there will be games this year where we get dominated physically. Just a question of by how much. 

5 hours ago, Curt said:

It’s the term, not the dollars.  They feel like they gave him a fair salary, but too many years, and an MNTC on top of it.  They think if there was going to be so much term, there shouldn’t have been any trade protection, or if they were going to give trade protection, then the term should have been less.  Especially for a deal being given out a year early.

Comparing Okposo’s one year deal to this 4 year deal doesn’t really fly.

Also, in a vacuum, it’s probably an okish deal, but their team is carrying $15 in dead cap space for the next couple seasons, and the fan base is concerned that Guerin is going to keep them perpetually cap hamstrung for the foreseeable future with deals like this.

It’s not the worst deal ever but there are definitely reasons not to like it.

like in the other post I replied with, remember Marcus is younger. 

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