Regardless of what you think of Rogan, this is worth a listen.
Michael Osterholm is an internationally recognized expert in infectious disease epidemiology. He is Regents Professor, McKnight Presidential Endowed Chair in Public Health, the director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy (CIDRAP), Distinguished Teaching Professor in the Division of Environmental Health Sciences, School of Public Health, a professor in the Technological Leadership Institute, College of Science and Engineering, and an adjunct professor in the Medical School, all at the University of Minnesota.
Full episode is, frankly, not for the faint of heart.
[The Joe Rogan Experience] #1439 - Michael Osterholm https://podplayer.net/?id=98491658