PerreaultForever Posted March 22, 2023 Report Share Posted March 22, 2023 6 minutes ago, Sidc3000 said: What is “real goaltending”. Who should Adams court? Just putting that back out there because there is talk Philly might be willing to trade him. If they plan to keep Hart and bring up Ersson full time I'd make a deal for Sandstrom. Shouldn't cost much and although he won't solve the problem, he's an upgrade from Comrie. I'd still look for a starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidc3000 Posted March 22, 2023 Report Share Posted March 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said: If this team plans to make Levi their #1 next year they are all insane. And they would be going back on everything they have preached since Adams took the reins. Has any goalie started their career immediately in the NHL. If so were they the teams starter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted March 22, 2023 Report Share Posted March 22, 2023 19 minutes ago, Randall Flagg said: I don't really like the high-level "well they're going to finish where you expected them to" No team at any level of a rebuild should escape serious criticism and questioning for performances like the Sabres have put up at home in general, and during the last 3 weeks overall. Play like this has no place in any serious professional sports "plan" or "build" or "rebuild." That high level take also isn’t even accurate re: pre season expectations. It might not be FAR off, but it’s off. The consensus was higher than low 80s The language, and data, wasn’t “around .500” 28 minutes ago, Buffalonill said: 27 people did and that won the vote And 23 people said 80-90 points. Maybe Y'all forgot I’m with you on this. There are plenty trying to re-write this. No dice folks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader1969 Posted March 22, 2023 Report Share Posted March 22, 2023 35 minutes ago, Buffalonill said: 27 people did and that won the vote And 23 people said 80-90 points. Maybe Y'all forgot Before the season started or like a month ago ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted March 22, 2023 Report Share Posted March 22, 2023 32 minutes ago, Buffalonill said: I'll be in a nursing home eating jello Then you can drool at a stanley cup win 😛 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerreaultForever Posted March 22, 2023 Report Share Posted March 22, 2023 9 minutes ago, Sidc3000 said: And they would be going back on everything they have preached since Adams took the reins. Has any goalie started their career immediately in the NHL. If so were they the teams starter? I can't think of anyone. There have been rookies forced into playing early because of multiple injuries on a team but they generally go back to the AHL or wherever after a stretch of games. More often than not goalies develop the slowest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalonill Posted March 22, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2023 15 minutes ago, Huckleberry said: Then you can drool at a stanley cup win 😛 16 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said: Before the season started or like a month ago ? Before the season started Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted March 22, 2023 Report Share Posted March 22, 2023 6 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said: I can't think of anyone. There have been rookies forced into playing early because of multiple injuries on a team but they generally go back to the AHL or wherever after a stretch of games. More often than not goalies develop the slowest. 17 minutes ago, Sidc3000 said: And they would be going back on everything they have preached since Adams took the reins. Has any goalie started their career immediately in the NHL. If so were they the teams starter? Patrick Roy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjd1001 Posted March 22, 2023 Report Share Posted March 22, 2023 24 minutes ago, Sidc3000 said: Has any goalie started their career immediately in the NHL. If so were they the teams starter? Tom Barasso. Won rookie of the year AND the vezina as an 18/19 year old for the Sabres right out of high school. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerreaultForever Posted March 22, 2023 Report Share Posted March 22, 2023 13 minutes ago, Thorny said: Patrick Roy he played in Sherbrooke first. AHL. 7 minutes ago, mjd1001 said: Tom Barasso. Won rookie of the year AND the vezina as an 18/19 year old for the Sabres right out of high school. I totally forgot Tom Barasshole 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted March 22, 2023 Report Share Posted March 22, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said: he played in Sherbrooke first. AHL. He played 1 game 84-85 QMJHL - 44gp AHL - 1gp NHL - 1gp 85-86 NHL - 47gp Edited March 22, 2023 by Thorny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted March 22, 2023 Report Share Posted March 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Sidc3000 said: What is “real goaltending”. Who should Adams court? Like Demko, Saros and Hart for example. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spndnchz Posted March 22, 2023 Report Share Posted March 22, 2023 We’re getting off topic here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKnowPhysics Posted March 22, 2023 Report Share Posted March 22, 2023 1 hour ago, JohninMinn. said: No. Levi was the missing piece. Our lord and savior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted March 22, 2023 Report Share Posted March 22, 2023 10 minutes ago, spndnchz said: We’re getting off topic here Are you new or something? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norcal Posted March 22, 2023 Report Share Posted March 22, 2023 @ThornyI have some Zofran if you need it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerreaultForever Posted March 22, 2023 Report Share Posted March 22, 2023 To get back on topic................... The general thesis is fault can rest on the shoulders of your players, your coaches, your upper management, or all of the above. It is the coach's job to get the maximum out of what he's given. He can't do more than that. If the team has bad players or is missing pieces he can try to cover up for that but ultimately he has little chance for success no matter who he is. If the idea is "fire Granato" that means he's not getting all he should or can from these players. I doubt that's true. I think he's been given marginal NHL goaltending, a young and thin D and few defensively minded forwards to work with. As such, he has tried to create a fast skating offensively oriented team that can out score the opposition. Go with the strengths of what you have been given and maximize that. It worked for a while when the games were more open, but most of these players don't go to the hard areas and as such it's falling apart now so the strengths are gone and the weaknesses are more apparent. Is that Granato's fault? I don't think so. I think it falls on upper management and the roster they provided him. I cannot think of a coach who could definitely fix this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted March 23, 2023 Report Share Posted March 23, 2023 2 hours ago, Buffalonill said: You do know it says 80-90 points and playoffs .. The poll doesn't say that anywhere. You are outright lying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted March 23, 2023 Report Share Posted March 23, 2023 7 hours ago, Buffalonill said: Sad What year is that from? Sabres did not start 17-6-2 this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted March 23, 2023 Report Share Posted March 23, 2023 4 minutes ago, Curt said: What year is that from? Sabres did not start 17-6-2 this season. Housley's 2nd season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted March 23, 2023 Report Share Posted March 23, 2023 1 hour ago, PerreaultForever said: he played in Sherbrooke first. AHL. Haha. Roy played exactly 1 game in the AHL the season before his rookie year. Then he took over as an NHL starter at 20. Does that really count as not going straight to the NHL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted March 23, 2023 Report Share Posted March 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Thorny said: He played 1 game 84-85 QMJHL - 44gp AHL - 1gp NHL - 1gp 85-86 NHL - 47gp 12 minutes ago, Curt said: Haha. Roy played exactly 1 game in the AHL the season before his rookie year. Then he took over as an NHL starter at 20. Does that really count as not going straight to the NHL? We all know what happened at the end of his rookie season too. Skimmed this beaut and my answer still is no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted March 23, 2023 Report Share Posted March 23, 2023 2 hours ago, Thorny said: That high level take also isn’t even accurate re: pre season expectations. It might not be FAR off, but it’s off. The consensus was higher than low 80s The language, and data, wasn’t “around .500” I’m with you on this. There are plenty trying to re-write this. No dice folks The concensus seemed to be high 80's. Personally said 91-92 and until the past couple of games thought that was still very doable. C'mon Devin, they can still get there. ;) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matter2003 Posted March 23, 2023 Report Share Posted March 23, 2023 3 hours ago, Thorny said: 90 point average, ya. Just did this in another thread Its gonna depend on how we finish. Just the way it is. Look at the numbers in the poll, read the thread. People aren’t saying “around .500” and low 80s. The talk is playoff bubble / high 80s low 90s I said 87-90 points and that was pretty much on point until this crazy implosion towards the end of the year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerreaultForever Posted March 23, 2023 Report Share Posted March 23, 2023 5 hours ago, Curt said: Haha. Roy played exactly 1 game in the AHL the season before his rookie year. Then he took over as an NHL starter at 20. Does that really count as not going straight to the NHL? So how come his bio says: After the game, Roy was sent to Sherbrooke to observe how the minor pro game was played. Sherbrooke had two netminders, and Patrick was certain he would not play, but fortune smiled on him once again. The one night he was the backup, the starter had equipment troubles early in the game. Subsequently Patrick came in and played well, and the starter never played another game the rest of the season. In the AHL playoffs, Roy established what was to be his finest attribute -- the ability to play under pressure. He led the team to a Calder Cup championship, and the next fall, he was at Montreal's training camp looking to join the club full time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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