Weave Posted November 11, 2021 Report Share Posted November 11, 2021 28 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said: Slightly off topic, but aren’t the players and the teams that employ them sick of wrist injuries to key players. It’s long past for the NHL to crack down on the stick fouls. It’s also time to get better equipment. When I played the gloves ran further up the wrist. Today’s do little to protect that area. Maybe’s it time to extend the glove or develop a strap on wrist protector. We have lost our top forward for months because of a cheap play that wasn’t even but should have been called a penalty. It’s just another example of more NHL BS. NHLPA BS too. I’ll never understand why the players union isn’t all over real player safety issues. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted November 11, 2021 Report Share Posted November 11, 2021 39 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said: Slightly off topic, but aren’t the players and the teams that employ them sick of wrist injuries to key players. It’s long past for the NHL to crack down on the stick fouls. It’s also time to get better equipment. When I played the gloves ran further up the wrist. Today’s do little to protect that area. Maybe’s it time to extend the glove or develop a strap on wrist protector. We have lost our top forward for months because of a cheap play that wasn’t even but should have been called a penalty. It’s just another example of more NHL BS. The problem is, especially for the offensively gifted players, the players claim that having gloves w/ full wrist coverage affects their stickhandling ability. And the issue goes back at least to the mid-90's. Lemieux missed playoff action due to a slash across the wrist similar to the play on Mittelstadt. And since playmaking & scoring is what gets guys paid, unless somebody invents a wrist protector that doesn't seem to perceptibly affect movement or the player safety committee forces the wearing of gloves with the longer wrist collars like they did w/ helmets & then visors; nothing will get done. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted November 13, 2021 Report Share Posted November 13, 2021 This is the same team that told us they were aiming for Jack to play in the home stretch of last season, Jack who had surgery TODAY that will keep him out an additional 3 months. They do this every year and it's really getting annoying. When are these players coming back. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted November 13, 2021 Report Share Posted November 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Randall Flagg said: This is the same team that told us they were aiming for Jack to play in the home stretch of last season, Jack who had surgery TODAY that will keep him out an additional 3 months. They do this every year and it's really getting annoying. When are these players coming back. Olofsson too, Granato expected him to be in the lineup against Seattle, that was over a week ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted November 13, 2021 Report Share Posted November 13, 2021 15 minutes ago, pi2000 said: Olofsson too, Granato expected him to be in the lineup against Seattle, that was over a week ago. Didn't even realize that, jeez Has anyone ever asked Adams or another GM or a coach why they do this? It is foreboding, if they get timetables so wrong are they diagnosing and treating incorrectly too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted November 13, 2021 Report Share Posted November 13, 2021 7 minutes ago, Randall Flagg said: Didn't even realize that, jeez Has anyone ever asked Adams or another GM or a coach why they do this? It is foreboding, if they get timetables so wrong are they diagnosing and treating incorrectly too? Who knows, did they do an MRI... who is looking at the images... was it a specialist or gp... can make a big deal. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyldnwoody44 Posted November 14, 2021 Report Share Posted November 14, 2021 On 11/12/2021 at 10:50 PM, North Buffalo said: Who knows, did they do an MRI... who is looking at the images... was it a specialist or gp... can make a big deal. These guys get Carte Blanche when it comes to tests and treatments, there are some GP's that are also Sports Med docs that work for the team, but they also have very very good surgeons basically on retainer for these guys. I know a handful of them, and they are very good at their jobs. I wonder if it's less misdiagnosis and more PT/physio treatment that is lacking in this process. Hard to say and I don't want to point fingers as injuries can nag past timetables, especially in elite athletes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MISabresFan Posted November 14, 2021 Report Share Posted November 14, 2021 Eeriliey similar to Jack's injury last year... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted November 14, 2021 Report Share Posted November 14, 2021 35 minutes ago, MISabresFan said: Eeriliey similar to Jack's injury last year... Yeah, sort of, but it’s been a trend with Sabres injuries going back 3-4 years. The initial reports always seem to underplay the severity and the updates never seem accurate (if we get any at all). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted November 14, 2021 Report Share Posted November 14, 2021 I get that it’s frustrating not to know the injury statuses and timetables for return to the lineup, but really, what does that information get us as fans? Will it help us manage our anxiety better? I doubt it because we will insist on being anxious over something else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trettioåtta Posted November 14, 2021 Report Share Posted November 14, 2021 5 minutes ago, K-9 said: I get that it’s frustrating not to know the injury statuses and timetables for return to the lineup, but really, what does that information get us as fans? Will it help us manage our anxiety better? I doubt it because we will insist on being anxious over something else. Can’t you extend that logic to any part of sports? Like we have no control over anything the Sabres do, so what benefit is it for us to know what the cap hit of a player is? Or what’s the lines will be that night? Or what a player was traded for? Knowing these things allows of engagement with the sport, which is part of the fun. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted November 14, 2021 Report Share Posted November 14, 2021 3 minutes ago, Trettioåtta said: Can’t you extend that logic to any part of sports? Like we have no control over anything the Sabres do, so what benefit is it for us to know what the cap hit of a player is? Or what’s the lines will be that night? Or what a player was traded for? Knowing these things allows of engagement with the sport, which is part of the fun. I don’t think all things we have no control over are created equal, but you’re right, none of it benefits us as fans in any tangible way. And by all means, enjoy the fun. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_sauve28 Posted November 14, 2021 Report Share Posted November 14, 2021 2 hours ago, K-9 said: I get that it’s frustrating not to know the injury statuses and timetables for return to the lineup, but really, what does that information get us as fans? Will it help us manage our anxiety better? I doubt it because we will insist on being anxious over something else. But, seriously, if I knew what the problem was with the players, I think I could help. Im not a doctor or anything, but I stayed at a Holiday Inn last night 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted November 14, 2021 Report Share Posted November 14, 2021 2 hours ago, K-9 said: I get that it’s frustrating not to know the injury statuses and timetables for return to the lineup, but really, what does that information get us as fans? Will it help us manage our anxiety better? I doubt it because we will insist on being anxious over something else. It's an indication of the quality of medical personnel. If they say a guy is out 2 weeks maybe they try too aggressively to rehab and cause further damage. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom webster Posted November 14, 2021 Report Share Posted November 14, 2021 I haven’t read the whole thread so someone may have covered this hut a lot of this is pain threshold and player agent driven. Agents do not want their clients playing until they are one hundred percent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted November 14, 2021 Report Share Posted November 14, 2021 3 hours ago, tom webster said: I haven’t read the whole thread so someone may have covered this hut a lot of this is pain threshold and player agent driven. Agents do not want their clients playing until they are one hundred percent. This sort of proves the "Jack's agents were donkeys" proposition 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted November 14, 2021 Report Share Posted November 14, 2021 3 hours ago, pi2000 said: It's an indication of the quality of medical personnel. If they say a guy is out 2 weeks maybe they try too aggressively to rehab and cause further damage. I can’t agree with that because if the initial assessment is off and they reevaluate the situation, then that suggests the medical personnel are on top of it. Injuries, especially soft tissue injuries, are always a fluid situation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted November 15, 2021 Report Share Posted November 15, 2021 3 hours ago, K-9 said: I can’t agree with that because if the initial assessment is off and they reevaluate the situation, then that suggests the medical personnel are on top of it. Injuries, especially soft tissue injuries, are always a fluid situation. I get your point, but.... this team has a history with misdiagnosed injuries.... maybe they told Olofsson he should be OK, he puts in a full practice then can't get out of bed the next day.... that's concerning. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted November 15, 2021 Report Share Posted November 15, 2021 7 minutes ago, pi2000 said: he puts in a full practice then can't get out of bed the next day.... that's concerning. Maybe Jack should have been shut down before the season started last year. Maybe his disc was already disintegrating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted November 15, 2021 Report Share Posted November 15, 2021 17 hours ago, Wyldnwoody44 said: These guys get Carte Blanche when it comes to tests and treatments, there are some GP's that are also Sports Med docs that work for the team, but they also have very very good surgeons basically on retainer for these guys. I know a handful of them, and they are very good at their jobs. I wonder if it's less misdiagnosis and more PT/physio treatment that is lacking in this process. Hard to say and I don't want to point fingers as injuries can nag past timetables, especially in elite athletes. True and even for old guys they nag... like my wife... er I didn't say that... difference is pain tolerance and ability to play through stuff as well if playing makes injury worse... always hard to tell. But agreed PT guys may an issue. I have worked with a few and you can tell the really good ones v the the decent ones. Played the best hockey of my life after working with one for six months who was awesome... post covid she is no longer at the gym I go to... the others are decent but just not as good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted November 15, 2021 Report Share Posted November 15, 2021 No Mittlestadt, Olofsson, Anderson or Jokiharju at practice this AM 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Flashsabre Posted November 15, 2021 Report Share Posted November 15, 2021 I just want to see a little run with Anderson back in net and Mitts, VO, Tuch and Joker added to this group. That is a 1st line, top pairing D and starter out and they still battle every game. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_sauve28 Posted November 15, 2021 Report Share Posted November 15, 2021 7 minutes ago, Brawndo said: Nothing on Anderson? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustache of God Posted November 15, 2021 Report Share Posted November 15, 2021 4 minutes ago, bob_sauve28 said: Nothing on Anderson? "He’s a goaltender, and this affects his goaltending. He can do everything else, but when it comes to goaltending, it’s affecting him." 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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