Jack Eichel: Trade rumors and speculation

[LGR4GM]

2 hours ago, Thorny said:

Risto outlasting both Eichel and Reinhart here would be high comedy 

Bet money if that happens it is because the owners like him. Just like zemgus deal is a clear reflection of the owners and ralph liking him. 

[Thorny]

10 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Bet money if that happens it is because the owners like him. Just like zemgus deal is a clear reflection of the owners and ralph liking him. 

I expect the "we want players who want to be here" mantra to be applied selectively and based on return 

[LGR4GM]

1 minute ago, Thorny said:

I expect the "we want players who want to be here" mantra to be applied selectively and based on return 

I expect it based on which players the Pegulas personally like because that is literally how this organization is run. 

I found this article very interesting and I don't think Pegula drinks and swears at ppl but the sudden decisions and illogical player movements are coming from ownership. This is about the Colts former owner and how his son learned not to be like him. 

https://theathletic.com/2532338/2021/05/27/sins-of-the-father-what-jim-irsay-learned-watching-his-dad-cripple-the-colts/

[Thorny]

1 minute ago, LGR4GM said:

I expect it based on which players the Pegulas personally like because that is literally how this organization is run. 

I found this article very interesting and I don't think Pegula drinks and swears at ppl but the sudden decisions and illogical player movements are coming from ownership. This is about the Colts former owner and how his son learned not to be like him. 

https://theathletic.com/2532338/2021/05/27/sins-of-the-father-what-jim-irsay-learned-watching-his-dad-cripple-the-colts/

That would fall under "selectively", ya

[CallawaySabres]

I honestly can't believe there is anyone left who actually thinks Jack will play another game for this team.

[Radar]

6 minutes ago, CallawaySabres said:

I honestly can't believe there is anyone left who actually thinks Jack will play another game for this team.

I think he could simply because offers for him could be lower than most think. KA can't afford to get hosed on an Eichel deal. The franchise can't afford it.

[Doohickie]

1 hour ago, Radar said:

I think he could simply because offers for him could be lower than most think. KA can't afford to get hosed on an Eichel deal. The franchise can't afford it.

Here's the thing:  For a Jack deal to work, it has to be a return for Jack in his career up until this season (i.e., non-hurt Jack), but I don't see any other GM offering that much.  They will want a discount to account for the risk Jack won't return to form.  From that standpoint I think KA will have no choice but to keep him.

The only way to move Jack is if KA gets a great return for either Jack himself or for SamRisto, or if Sam is retained on a multiyear deal.  They can't afford to move JackSamRisto and not have a 1C when it's all said and done.  If they move Sam but don't get a ready-to-play 1C back, they will have to keep Jack.

[Marvin]

IMHO, if Eichel is traded before he hits the ice and proves he's more-or-less back to normal, I expect any trade for him will have a couple of conditional picks and some mid-range complimentary pieces.

[Curt]

1 hour ago, Doohickie said:

Here's the thing:  For a Jack deal to work, it has to be a return for Jack in his career up until this season (i.e., non-hurt Jack), but I don't see any other GM offering that much.  They will want a discount to account for the risk Jack won't return to form.  From that standpoint I think KA will have no choice but to keep him.

The only way to move Jack is if KA gets a great return for either Jack himself or for SamRisto, or if Sam is retained on a multiyear deal.  They can't afford to move JackSamRisto and not have a 1C when it's all said and done.  If they move Sam but don't get a ready-to-play 1C back, they will have to keep Jack.

I think there is no way they come out of this offseason having acquired a 1C.

I’m assuming that you are using the term 1C the way most here do, which is something like a near ppg star player, one of the 15ish best C’s in the league.

Even if you are using it to indicate one of the 32 best C’s in the league, I find that very unlikely.

[Doohickie]

3 hours ago, Curt said:

I think there is no way they come out of this offseason having acquired a 1C.

Which is why one of Jack or Sam are staying.

[Pimlach]

On 5/26/2021 at 2:47 PM, mjd1001 said:

A goal is a goal is a goal....a PP goal counts just as much as a even strength goal.  If you don't have that PP specialist, then when you lose games because you haven't scored on the PP in a few games you will wish for someone like him.    Besides, this board seems to think he is 100% useless unless on the PP. Over the past 2 years, he is tied for 4th on the team in assists...and 4th on the team in EVEN STRENGTH goals....3rd in overall points and 3rd in even strength points.

This ^.  And he played a much better 2 way game under Granato.  

[Pimlach]

On 5/27/2021 at 1:37 PM, Hoss said:

I think Risto and Jack are the two most likely to go. 

Why?  Jack is locked up. If we don’t get what we think helps us improve the team then don’t have to trade him.  
 

Reinhart on the other hand is a one year RFA, then he is an UFA in 2022.  If he won’t sign this off season then he is likely more valuable to trade before the season starts, rather than at the trade deadline.  He doesn’t have to stay,  although I hope he does. 
 

Risto is tradeable under most any scenario.   

[LGR4GM]

On 5/26/2021 at 3:47 PM, mjd1001 said:

A goal is a goal is a goal....a PP goal counts just as much as a even strength goal.  If you don't have that PP specialist, then when you lose games because you haven't scored on the PP in a few games you will wish for someone like him.    Besides, this board seems to think he is 100% useless unless on the PP. Over the past 2 years, he is tied for 4th on the team in assists...and 4th on the team in EVEN STRENGTH goals....3rd in overall points and 3rd in even strength points.

He's tied for 4th on the team because the team sucks. Olofsson is pretty useless when not on the pp. He's getting points because he plays with better players. I would love to see his 2nd assist 1st assist numbers. 

What's 4th on the team in even strength goals come to? Oh that's right... 15. Olofsson has 15 ev goals in the past 2 years. He does have 29 ev assists which is decent. 

He's a 3rd line pp specialist who can fill in on the 2nd line in a pinch. 

11 hours ago, Pimlach said:

This ^.  And he played a much better 2 way game under Granato.  

And? We're so warped in our understanding of a good team we over value olofsson. Nice player but if he's an integral part of your top 6 you have issues. 

Edited May 29, 2021 by LGR4GM

[dudacek]

I think Olofsson has limitations that prevent him from being a true top 6 and skills that elevate him out of the bottom 6.

I think most of Sabrespace agrees with the above, so I’m not sure why this pops up as a point of contention on here from time to time.

He’s a useful middle six player.

[mjd1001]

4 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

He's tied for 4th on the team because the team sucks. Olofsson is pretty useless when not on the pp. He's getting points because he plays with better players. I would love to see his 2nd assist 1st assist numbers. 

What's 4th on the team in even strength goals come to? Oh that's right... 15. Olofsson has 15 ev goals in the past 2 years. He does have 29 ev assists which is decent. 

He's a 3rd line pp specialist who can fill in on the 2nd line in a pinch. 

And? We're so warped in our understanding of a good team we over value olofsson. Nice player but if he's an integral part of your top 6 you have issues. 

I think you could also argue that with a better team around him produces even MORE.  A D-unit that gets the puck out of the zone quicker and transitions it up the ice gives more shots for ALL fowards...and with him having one of the best shots on the team more goals from him.  Also, as good as Eichel is, he isn't the best center for a winger like VO. Eichel likes to carry the puck into the zone..he likes to hold it....VO is the type of winger that you get him the puck the second he is open and let him shoot.   A 'different' type of center (one that doesn't dominate the puck so much) and a D-unit better than this one and you might get a lot more scoring production out of VO.

[Curt]

36 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

I think you could also argue that with a better team around him produces even MORE.  A D-unit that gets the puck out of the zone quicker and transitions it up the ice gives more shots for ALL fowards...and with him having one of the best shots on the team more goals from him.  Also, as good as Eichel is, he isn't the best center for a winger like VO. Eichel likes to carry the puck into the zone..he likes to hold it....VO is the type of winger that you get him the puck the second he is open and let him shoot.   A 'different' type of center (one that doesn't dominate the puck so much) and a D-unit better than this one and you might get a lot more scoring production out of VO.

Strongly disagree with the bolded.  Eichel is a pass first player and a very good set up guy.  Olofsson does not need a C who carries and handles the puck less, because he can’t do that well himself either.

I don’t think the problem is that no one passes the puck to Olofsson when he gets open at ES.  I think the problem is that he doesn’t get open at ES.

[LGR4GM]

53 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

I think you could also argue that with a better team around him produces even MORE.  A D-unit that gets the puck out of the zone quicker and transitions it up the ice gives more shots for ALL fowards...and with him having one of the best shots on the team more goals from him.  Also, as good as Eichel is, he isn't the best center for a winger like VO. Eichel likes to carry the puck into the zone..he likes to hold it....VO is the type of winger that you get him the puck the second he is open and let him shoot.   A 'different' type of center (one that doesn't dominate the puck so much) and a D-unit better than this one and you might get a lot more scoring production out of VO.

So if we rebuild the entire team around olofsson he'll be better. 

Also olofsson isn't the guy you want carrying the puck more. Useful player but again he's not what you want on your top line. 

1 hour ago, dudacek said:

I think Olofsson has limitations that prevent him from being a true top 6 and skills that elevate him out of the bottom 6.

I think most of Sabrespace agrees with the above, so I’m not sure why this pops up as a point of contention on here from time to time.

He’s a useful middle six player.

Exactly. 

[Flashsabre]

38 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

So if we rebuild the entire team around olofsson he'll be better. 

Also olofsson isn't the guy you want carrying the puck more. Useful player but again he's not what you want on your top line. 

Exactly. 

They basically have Olofsson in Ruots.  You can move Olofsson for a young asset, especially if this is a blowup rebuild which it should be.

[Marvin]

1 hour ago, Flashsabre said:

They basically have Olofsson in Ruots.  You can move Olofsson for a young asset, especially if this is a blowup rebuild which it should be.

I would prefer a different kind of player to get a better mix.

[mjd1001]

2 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

So if we rebuild the entire team around olofsson he'll be better. 

 

Wow, way to over-react to make your own point.  No where in my post did I come close to suggesting to build a team around him. I just said he would be better in certain situations or with a different type of player around him.  

[Flashsabre]

Friedman just said Sabres and Eichel will meet in the next week.

[LGR4GM]

5 hours ago, mjd1001 said:

Wow, way to over-react to make your own point.  No where in my post did I come close to suggesting to build a team around him. I just said he would be better in certain situations or with a different type of player around him.  

But that's what you described. That's kinda my point, olofsson is a complimentary middle 6 winger. 

[Derrico]

Eichel for Marner, nylander and Robertson. 

[pi2000]

Eichel, Reinhart, Olofsson, Luukkonen for McDavid and Neal.

[Hoss]