inkman Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 8 hours ago, Hoss said: All the same! 😉 It’s not 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 7 hours ago, inkman said: It’s not That was the joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 Has McD made noises about wanting out? I haven't heard anything along those lines. Even if Edmonton felt like they had to trade him, I think there is no way they would take Eichel as the main piece coming back until they saw Jack fully recovered and playing NHL games at his 2019-2020 MVP candidate level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalonill Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, nfreeman said: Has McD made noises about wanting out? I haven't heard anything along those lines. Even if Edmonton felt like they had to trade him, I think there is no way they would take Eichel as the main piece coming back until they saw Jack fully recovered and playing NHL games at his 2019-2020 MVP candidate level. I would trade cozens, jack ,sam,dahlin to watch fun hockey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erickompositör72 Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 Is McDavid regularly neutralized in the playoffs by teams that play heavy? That's what last night looked like. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalonill Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 1 minute ago, erickompositör72 said: Is McDavid regularly neutralized in the playoffs by teams that play heavy? That's what last night looked like. Its hard to be McDavid when you have zero help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erickompositör72 Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, Buffalonill said: Its hard to be McDavid when you have zero help. He was on a line with Draisaitl all night, but your point is taken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalonill Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 11 minutes ago, erickompositör72 said: He was on a line with Draisaitl all night, but your point is taken. All the jets had to do was just focus on one line and that's it. The coaches Should have spread out the talent like How Pittsburgh does with Crosby& Malkin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 47 minutes ago, nfreeman said: Has McD made noises about wanting out? I haven't heard anything along those lines. Even if Edmonton felt like they had to trade him, I think there is no way they would take Eichel as the main piece coming back until they saw Jack fully recovered and playing NHL games at his 2019-2020 MVP candidate level. In his post game immediately after the game he was talking about how no overhaul was needed and they just need to tweak things. Don't think he wants out. 38 minutes ago, erickompositör72 said: Is McDavid regularly neutralized in the playoffs by teams that play heavy? That's what last night looked like. I wouldn't say 4 points in 4 games was "neutralized". Maybe by his standards. But they lost 3 OT games and the other was a 1 goal game for all intents and purposes (2 empty net goals). A bit of secondary scoring would have gone a long way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjd1001 Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 10 minutes ago, Thorny said: In his post game immediately after the game he was talking about how no overhaul was needed and they just need to tweak things. Don't think he wants out. I wouldn't say 4 points in 4 games was "neutralized". Maybe by his standards. But they lost 3 OT games and the other was a 1 goal game for all intents and purposes (2 empty net goals). A bit of secondary scoring would have gone a long way. Most players have worse numbers in the playoffs because you are always playing against better competition than in the regular season (on average at least), but here are some key numbers for McDavid: Goals per 60: Reg season: 1.15 Playoffs: 0.64 Assists per 60: Reg season: 1.87 Playoffs: 0.80 Per minute of ice time, he (over his career) is about half as productive as he is in the regular season. That is more of a drop than you would expect from a player in the playoffs....but it is a very small sample size (he has only played about 20 playoff games in his career) For comparison, over his career Ovechkin does 1.21 goals per 60 in the regular season, and only drops to 0.94 in the playoffs. Crosby Goes from 1.06 goals per game in the regular season, and only drops to 1.04 in the playoffs. Again with McDavid, small sample size. If those numbers stay the same over the course of the next couple of seasons, then it might be a discussion to be had. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erickompositör72 Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 5 minutes ago, Thorny said: In his post game immediately after the game he was talking about how no overhaul was needed and they just need to tweak things. Don't think he wants out. I wouldn't say 4 points in 4 games was "neutralized". Maybe by his standards. But they lost 3 OT games and the other was a 1 goal game for all intents and purposes (2 empty net goals). A bit of secondary scoring would have gone a long way. Yeah, I only watched last night, and I'm just curious what's kept them from "breaking through." Do you think they just need to tweak things? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, erickompositör72 said: Yeah, I only watched last night, and I'm just curious what's kept them from "breaking through." Do you think they just need to tweak things? Honestly I'm not sure, that's what he said, I don't follow them that closely. My impression from what I've gathered is they have similar issues to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erickompositör72 Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 This may just be me being a homer, and I'm sure others have said/thought this, but I think Eichel's game will translate better to the playoffs than McD's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radar Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 1 minute ago, erickompositör72 said: This may just be me being a homer, and I'm sure others have said/thought this, but I think Eichel's game will translate better to the playoffs than McD's Don't know but I'd love to find out. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erickompositör72 Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 Just now, Radar said: Don't know but I'd love to find out. I'll stipulate: in a Sabres jersey 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 I don’t really fault McDavid much for Edmonton’s failure. When your coach pairs you with your team’s only other game changer then you are going to literally be put into a defensive vice anytime you’re on the ice. We’ve seen it this year and last year that if you can neutralize McDavid w/ Draisital; it’s rather easy to beat the Oilers in a series. They needed their other 3 lines to play better but also split up McDavid and Draisital. It’s more difficult to lock down two separate lines than a single “super” line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radar Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 1 minute ago, thewookie1 said: I don’t really fault McDavid much for Edmonton’s failure. When your coach pairs you with your team’s only other game changer then you are going to literally be put into a defensive vice anytime you’re on the ice. We’ve seen it this year and last year that if you can neutralize McDavid w/ Draisital; it’s rather easy to beat the Oilers in a series. They needed their other 3 lines to play better but also split up McDavid and Draisital. It’s more difficult to lock down two separate lines than a single “super” line Had a similar debate with the Sabres haven't we? Do you put all your guns on your first line or sp!it them into two. I tend to agree with your assessment. Don't just give your opponent one line to worry about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashsabre Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 (edited) Trading for McDavid would be a bad move. It would take Eichel++ so instead of a team not deep enough to sniff the playoffs with Eichel, you have McDavid and even less depth. I’m sure he would be THRILLED here under the current situation. Edited May 25, 2021 by Flashsabre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 14 minutes ago, Radar said: Don't know but I'd love to find out. Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 1 minute ago, Radar said: Had a similar debate with the Sabres haven't we? Do you put all your guns on your first line or sp!it them into two. I tend to agree with your assessment. Don't just give your opponent one line to worry about. One caveat with this however is that playoff hockey differs from regular season hockey in this regard. During regular season games stacking one line can work wonders. The playoffs however inspire players to do much more to actually lockdown a line making a stacked line more of a detriment than an advantage. Effectively, in the season you can do well and even make the playoffs on the back of one high end line and a combination of good goaltending and a couple solid Dmen. Whereas in the playoffs, depth is absurdly important to a degree that is almost immeasurable. Its also where the whole “need of a superstar” question is raised. However you do need a superstar or two; but said players must be completely willing to sacrifice their own personal success to win in the playoffs. Stars carry you to the playoffs, depth and goaltending advances you through the playoffs, and your overall cohesion wins you the Stanley Cup 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalonill Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 2 hours ago, erickompositör72 said: This may just be me being a homer, and I'm sure others have said/thought this, but I think Eichel's game will translate better to the playoffs than McD's You're probably correct it sucks it won't be in buffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 For the record: Starting with The Great Expansion, scoring goes down about 20% per 60 minutes overall in the playoffs. Moreover, shots per 60 minutes go down about 10% and save percentages go up about 15%. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted May 26, 2021 Report Share Posted May 26, 2021 Eichel, Reinhart, Ristolainen, and our 2021 1st for McDavid, Kassian, and Neal. Still doubt it would work but it certainly looks nice on paper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveoath Posted May 26, 2021 Report Share Posted May 26, 2021 I think you'd need to add our unprotected 1st in 22 and/or 23 tbh instead of this year, just due to the players coming up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted May 26, 2021 Report Share Posted May 26, 2021 2 hours ago, thewookie1 said: Eichel, Reinhart, Ristolainen, and our 2021 1st for McDavid, Kassian, and Neal. Still doubt it would work but it certainly looks nice on paper. This conversation isn’t worth having. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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