darksabre Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 :rolleyes: If that's how you want to be, then you're part of the problem. Excusing bad behavior by businesses "because capitalism" is hugely problematic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 Clearly within the CBA. They have no case. What is within the CBA? The right to kneel, or the right for the NFL to fine the kneeling? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 (edited) So with the new gambling rules will they have an over/under on the number of players that don't stand? Now *that* would be tasteless. And how would we know whether players are being paid to kneel or to stand? It's not like throwing a game--the league has no interest in regulating this. Edited May 23, 2018 by Eleven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubkev Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 So with the new gambling rules will they have an over/under on the number of players that don't stand? Meh, you can do whatever you want for prop bets. I've bet on Gatorade color before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyldnwoody44 Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 Acid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted May 23, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 If that's how you want to be, then you're part of the problem. Excusing bad behavior by businesses "because capitalism" is hugely problematic. It's bad behavior by business to utilize endorsements? What exactly is the NFL doing wrong here? You're mad we're a military-industrialist complex. How in the world is that the NFL's fault or problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 Here's the NFL's official policy statement: https://nflcommunications.com/Pages/Statement-From-NFL-Commissioner-Roger-Goodell----.aspx Note that it will fine teams, not players, thereby circumventing the CBA (or at least trying to). Also, I do not believe "league personnel" as used in the last item includes players. I believe "team personnel," used in the first item, covers them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 It's bad behavior by business to utilize endorsements? What exactly is the NFL doing wrong here? You're mad we're a military-industrialist complex. How in the world is that the NFL's fault or problem It's a moral question and it would be nice if the NFL were as good on this stuff as the NBA is. Adam Silver has proven that it's not hard for an entire sports league to have a modicum of conscience. I'm perfectly justified in being mad that the NFL is predictably incapable of taking a leadership position in this country on something that is important to the very fabric of our society. The NFL doesn't need to be a party to the military industrial complex and all the accompanying jingoism. It is actively choosing to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted May 23, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 It's a moral question and it would be nice if the NFL were as good on this stuff as the NBA is. Adam Silver has proven that it's not hard for an entire sports league to have a modicum of conscience. I'm perfectly justified in being mad that the NFL is predictably incapable of taking a leadership position in this country on something that is important to the very fabric of our society. The NFL doesn't need to be a party to the military industrial complex and all the accompanying jingoism. It is actively choosing to. Pretty sure the NBA does the same stuff, just with a smile on its face. In the same sense you don't need to be part of an audience that supports a business that supports the military industrial complex. You are choosing to. Short of not participating in that audience, you can try to change it politically. In reality, how far will that get you? Not very. But those, to me, are your options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 Pretty sure the NBA does the same stuff, just with a smile on its face. In the same sense you don't need to be part of an audience that supports a business that supports the military industrial complex. You are choosing to. Short of not participating in that audience, you can try to change it politically. In reality, how far will that get you? Not very. But those, to me, are your options. This has nothing to do with my choices. This is about the NFL and its choices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted May 23, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 (edited) This has nothing to do with my choices. This is about the NFL and its choices. How Edited May 23, 2018 by WildCard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 Quick takes: I do dislike Incognito, but it sounds like he's having (more) serious issues. I hope he gets the help he needs. He seemed quite erratic this off-season. And for all the flack I give him, fact is he helped end the drought. With regard to the NFL looking to stifle controversy: It ain't about politics. It's about money, honey. Ask our man at Deep South Taco how it went when he went all in on being a proud quasi-alt-right-er. Some of his stores are still doing well. Others, not so much. The NFL wants as much of everyone's money as they can get. So they don't want controversy. Plain and simp (the system's a pimp, and I refuse to be a hoe!). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 Quick takes: I do dislike Incognito, but it sounds like he's having (more) serious issues. I hope he gets the help he needs. He seemed quite erratic this off-season. And for all the flack I give him, fact is he helped end the drought. With regard to the NFL looking to stifle controversy: It ain't about politics. It's about money, honey. Ask our man at Deep South Taco how it went when he went all in on being a proud quasi-alt-right-er. Some of his stores are still doing well. Others, not so much. The NFL wants as much of everyone's money as they can get. So they don't want controversy. Plain and simp (the system's a pimp, and I refuse to be a hoe!). Hertel seems as busy as always and downtown seems as empty as always (unless there's a game). Has there really been a difference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 How Are you being intentionally dense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 Hertel seems as busy as always and downtown seems as empty as always (unless there's a game). Has there really been a difference? My eyes on the street say "yes." For my own part, I've been to Hertel on 4 Fridays. 2 were pre-kerfuffle. 2 were post-kerfuffle. The crowds varied significantly (with the latter visits yielding us a table within minutes). Additionally, he's more recently been dabbling in Groupon type stuff and other get-people-in-the-door promotions. I think there was a fallout. At some stores. I don't think the one in East Amherst was affected at all, for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 I'm not going to read through all of this stuff. Has anyone suggested just not signing the anthem, or at least not television it? Do we really need it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted May 23, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 Are you being intentionally dense?That's a dick thing to say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 Here's something very positive (IMHO) from new team president Kim P.: a new stadium is far from a sure thing -- http://buffalonews.com/2018/05/23/kim-pegula-orchard-park-new-era-field-bills-stadium/?utm_campaign=puma&utm_medium=social&utm_source=Twitter#link_time=1527106286 “I don’t even know if we can get there,” the team’s co-owner told The Buffalo News while attending the NFL spring meeting. “I know fans in Buffalo don’t want higher ticket prices, they don’t want PSLs. The state doesn’t want to give you any money, the city doesn’t ... We don’t have a billion-and-a-half dollars sitting around. We used it to buy the team.” I hope they stay in the Ralph forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 If the PA really wants to fight back they'll just organize and have one player on each team kneel, offsetting the penalties. Roger Neilson approves. Here's something very positive (IMHO) from new team president Kim P.: a new stadium is far from a sure thing -- http://buffalonews.com/2018/05/23/kim-pegula-orchard-park-new-era-field-bills-stadium/?utm_campaign=puma&utm_medium=social&utm_source=Twitter#link_time=1527106286 I hope they stay in the Ralph forever. The Pegulas are "house-poor"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 Ask our man at Deep South Taco how it went when he went all in on being a proud quasi-alt-right-er. Some of his stores are still doing well. Others, not so much. For the benefit of the rubes in the room, could you re-state this in English? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JujuFish Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 I'm not going to read through all of this stuff. Has anyone suggested just not signing the anthem, or at least not television it? Do we really need it? That would go over worse than any protesting, I'd imagine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 That would go over worse than any protesting, I'd imagine. There is nothing more un-American than not cramming patriotism down everyone's throats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 Roger Neilson approves. The Pegulas are "house-poor"? Two “good ones”! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 There is nothing more un-American than not cramming patriotism down everyone's throats. https://twitter.com/VP/status/999411045730013184?s=19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 For the benefit of the rubes in the room, could you re-state this in English? Sorry - didn’t mean to be opaque. Hip, hot local restaurateur went public with his politics, in a pretty big (and unprovoked) way. My take is that he alienated a lot of people who now choose to get tacos and margaritas from other purveyors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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