Buffalo Bills 2018-2019

[LGR4GM]

Sorry - didn’t mean to be opaque.

 

Hip, hot local restaurateur went public with his politics, in a pretty big (and unprovoked) way. My take is that he alienated a lot of people who now choose to get tacos and margaritas from other purveyors.

Where are the best tacos in Buffalo?

[Doctor of Philhousley]

Where are the best tacos in Buffalo?

New thread please?!

I'll go with La DivINa before the merge.

[LGR4GM]

New thread please?!

I'll go with La DivINa before the merge.

Lol you start it

Here's something very positive (IMHO) from new team president Kim P.: a new stadium is far from a sure thing -- http://buffalonews.com/2018/05/23/kim-pegula-orchard-park-new-era-field-bills-stadium/?utm_campaign=puma&utm_medium=social&utm_source=Twitter#link_time=1527106286

 

 

I hope they stay in the Ralph forever.

I think a multi billion dollar sport industry should probably have a system in place to help owners get a new stadium that doesn't rely on tax payers subsidizing them.

[Radar]

There is nothing more un-American than not cramming patriotism down everyone's throats.

Well at least phoney patriotism.

Lol you start it

I think a multi billion dollar sport industry should probably have a system in place to help owners get a new stadium that doesn't rely on tax payers subsidizing them.

Sounds logical except in a money hungry,capitalistic society. Make money off those with less money. We with less money buy into it. Frankly I've all but lost interest in professional sports. It's a product for sale that I ain't buying.

[stuuuuuuuuu]

Well at least phoney patriotism.

Sounds logical except in a money hungry,capitalistic society. Make money off those with less money. We with less money buy into it. Frankly I've all but lost interest in professional sports. It's a product for sale that I ain't buying.

On a professional sports fan message board

[That Aud Smell]

Where are the best tacos in Buffalo?

Casa Azul for my money.

 

I think Divina had a patchy record with possible human trafficking.

[LGR4GM]

Hmm I have had both.

 

Okay best burrito in Buffalo?

[nfreeman]

 

The Pegulas are "house-poor"?

 

You misused the term.

 

More to the point:  would you prefer a new stadium, with the attendant substantial increase in cost of attendance and upper deck a mile away from the action? 

 

 

Lol you start it

I think a multi billion dollar sport industry should probably have a system in place to help owners get a new stadium that doesn't rely on tax payers subsidizing them.

 

There's no system that will eliminate the unavoidable facts that the money to build a stadium needs to come from somewhere, and the only sources are the public or the owner. 

[Weave]

You misused the term.

 

More to the point:  would you prefer a new stadium, with the attendant substantial increase in cost of attendance and upper deck a mile away from the action? 

 

 

 

There's no system that will eliminate the unavoidable facts that the money to build a stadium needs to come from somewhere, and the only sources are the public or the owner. 

 

I think Liger's point, and I agree with it, is that the league itself has the wherewithal to fund stadiums.

[That Aud Smell]

I think Liger's point, and I agree with it, is that the league itself has the wherewithal to fund stadiums.

Interesting.

 

Btw, Kim Pegula’s extensive remarks to TBN were fairly illuminating.

[Doctor of Philhousley]

 

Lol you start it

 

I admittedly tried to format multiple best taco polls last night and got nowhere.

[nfreeman]

I think Liger's point, and I agree with it, is that the league itself has the wherewithal to fund stadiums.

Well, this is true, but there is zero possibility of this happening.

[Eleven]

I'm not going to read through all of this stuff. Has anyone suggested just not signing the anthem, or at least not television it? Do we really need it?

 

I have suggested it constantly over the years and no, we don't need it.

 

Here's something very positive (IMHO) from new team president Kim P.:  a new stadium is far from a sure thing -- http://buffalonews.com/2018/05/23/kim-pegula-orchard-park-new-era-field-bills-stadium/?utm_campaign=puma&utm_medium=social&utm_source=Twitter#link_time=1527106286

 

 

I hope they stay in the Ralph forever.

 

No.  Bring them back to Buffalo.

 

My eyes on the street say "yes."

 

For my own part, I've been to Hertel on 4 Fridays. 2 were pre-kerfuffle. 2 were post-kerfuffle. The crowds varied significantly (with the latter visits yielding us a table within minutes).

 

Additionally, he's more recently been dabbling in Groupon type stuff and other get-people-in-the-door promotions.

 

I think there was a fallout. At some stores. I don't think the one in East Amherst was affected at all, for example.

 

I didn't even know there was one in East Amherst.  The tacos are good and I don't feel like I'm supporting the alt-right when I'm there.

 

Interesting.

 

Btw, Kim Pegula’s extensive remarks to TBN were fairly illuminating.

 

Just planting the first seed in the orchard of public funding requests.

[Taro T]

Well, this is true, but there is zero possibility of this happening.

Yep. As long as politicians will spend taxpayer money for the owners, there is no incentive for them to spend their own.

[LGR4GM]

Well, this is true, but there is zero possibility of this happening.

Guess then I will be voting no to any proposed new Bills stadium using tax money then.  It isn't like the Key Bank Center that sees 41 hockey games plus probably another 20 or more other events throughout the year. A football stadium see what? 8 games, a couple of preseason games maybe and then 3 or 4 concerts? Let's say 15 events versus something like 60-70. From a public standpoint paying billionaires for their pleasure palaces seems like a complete waste of money. 

Here's the only way I fund a new stadium. The taxpayers get back 75% of the profits the Pegulas would earn from the team until the loan of money to build the stadium is payed off at 20% interest. After that the county gets 20% of profits in perpetuity for having to subsidize billionaires. 

[Eleven]

Guess then I will be voting no to any proposed new Bills stadium using tax money then.  It isn't like the Key Bank Center that sees 41 hockey games plus probably another 20 or more other events throughout the year. A football stadium see what? 8 games, a couple of preseason games maybe and then 3 or 4 concerts? Let's say 15 events versus something like 60-70. From a public standpoint paying billionaires for their pleasure palaces seems like a complete waste of money. 

Here's the only way I fund a new stadium. The taxpayers get back 75% of the profits the Pegulas would earn from the team until the loan of money to build the stadium is payed off at 20% interest. After that the county gets 20% of profits in perpetuity for having to subsidize billionaires. 

 

Wawrow had a not bad idea yesterday; combine a new stadium with a new convention center.  Of course, we don't have the hotel beds for big conventions, but it's an interesting idea.

[LGR4GM]

Wawrow had a not bad idea yesterday; combine a new stadium with a new convention center.  Of course, we don't have the hotel beds for big conventions, but it's an interesting idea.

Not a terrible idea. Not sure where you build that so you have easy access to the train line. 

[SwampD]

Wawrow had a not bad idea yesterday; combine a new stadium with a new convention center.  Of course, we don't have the hotel beds for big conventions, but it's an interesting idea.

I had that same thought yesterday. What if you combined the arena with it, as well. A sports and entertainment super center (see what I did there.)

[nfreeman]

No.  Bring them back to Buffalo.

 

 

How do you think a stadium gets funded?

 

 

Yep. As long as politicians will spend taxpayer money for the owners, there is no incentive for them to spend their own.

 

This is certainly true.  My point though was that the other NFL owners aren't going to pick up the tab for a new stadium -- none of them got this kind of help from the other owners, and they aren't about to start with the Bills.

 

 

Guess then I will be voting no to any proposed new Bills stadium using tax money then.  It isn't like the Key Bank Center that sees 41 hockey games plus probably another 20 or more other events throughout the year. A football stadium see what? 8 games, a couple of preseason games maybe and then 3 or 4 concerts? Let's say 15 events versus something like 60-70. From a public standpoint paying billionaires for their pleasure palaces seems like a complete waste of money. 

Here's the only way I fund a new stadium. The taxpayers get back 75% of the profits the Pegulas would earn from the team until the loan of money to build the stadium is payed off at 20% interest. After that the county gets 20% of profits in perpetuity for having to subsidize billionaires. 

 

I agree that it's a complete waste of money for the limited usage reason you pointed out -- and this is true regardless of who pays for it.

[LGR4GM]

That brings us to how do we make it less limited use? 

 

Can we put a zipline across it?

Public ice rink in the winter? (after the season)

Build near enough DT so that restaurants or hotels would be interested in it as a permanent home?

Attach a convention center to one side next to the built in hotel?

Build it near or on the water so that hotel/restaurant/convention center all look out over the water?

Make sure it connects to the existing rail system without too much destruction of DT. 

Can we put a climbing wall in? 

Other ideas? How do we make this thing actually worth it?

[TrueBlueGED]

That brings us to how do we make it less limited use?

 

Can we put a zipline across it?

Public ice rink in the winter? (after the season)

Build near enough DT so that restaurants or hotels would be interested in it as a permanent home?

Attach a convention center to one side next to the built in hotel?

Build it near or on the water so that hotel/restaurant/convention center all look out over the water?

Make sure it connects to the existing rail system without too much destruction of DT.

Can we put a climbing wall in?

Other ideas? How do we make this thing actually worth it?

A new convention center stapled to it and year-round restaurant and retail space. That's about the only consistent thing I can think of.

 

Edit: a transportation hub would make sense too, but given a new train station is already being built, I find such an investment highly unlikely.

Edited May 24, 2018 by TrueBlueGED

[LGR4GM]

You could put it between Ohio and Perry Street and Louisiana. Then you could just extend the subway line down Ohio street another stop. Then you can convention center it up building that and a hotel on the Casino side. with additional restaurants and such. 

[Randall Flagg]

I watched a youtube video about how the next wave of NFL (and other sports) stadiums are going to have heavy focus on things like convention centers and other attractions to get the community involved 24/7 instead of 8x per year, it was pretty interesting

[shrader]

I watched a youtube video about how the next wave of NFL (and other sports) stadiums are going to have heavy focus on things like convention centers and other attractions to get the community involved 24/7 instead of 8x per year, it was pretty interesting

 

It sounds fairly common sense.  I wonder how many other events those places drawn in over the course of a year.  There are only so many concerts that can draw a crowd that large.  And then on top of that you've got a shorter window of use for any open air stadium.  Did that video by any chance give numbers for concert use?

[Randall Flagg]

It sounds fairly common sense.  I wonder how many other events those places drawn in over the course of a year.  There are only so many concerts that can draw a crowd that large.  And then on top of that you've got a shorter window of use for any open air stadium.  Did that video by any chance give numbers for concert use?

Nope - one interesting detail I remember, though, is that the field itself could get regular use throughout the week. Picture a sort of "building" that you can walk into, and then down a big set of steps which are seats on Sunday, and onto a nice grassy area where football is played on Sunday. Maybe some food vendors and other activities going on down there. It was pretty interesting. I think the people who made the video are actually architects or something too. That part might be misremembered though.