3putt Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 Mittelstadt is finally getting some usable numbers (high school doesn't count), and while I haven't run the numbers yet (I hope to have time over Christmas), it doesn't look as wonderful as say Elias Pettersson drafted by Vancouver, who is just killing the SHL right now Did you use his USHL numbers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 Mittelstadt is finally getting some usable numbers (high school doesn't count), and while I haven't run the numbers yet (I hope to have time over Christmas), it doesn't look as wonderful as say Elias Pettersson drafted by Vancouver, who is just killing the SHL right nowPettersson was a great pick at 5. I think for an 8th overall though, Casey is showing me what I expected. That said, I might leave him at college an extra year or sign him and make him stay all next year in Rochester. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 Pettersson was a great pick at 5. I think for an 8th overall though, Casey is showing me what I expected. That said, I might leave him at college an extra year or sign him and make him stay all next year in Rochester. Him with Nylander and the rest of that core (not sure what other prospects we might be able to add to Rochester next year) need to develop for at least a year in Rochester together. Calling them up this young and as individuals will be a massive mistake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 Him with Nylander and the rest of that core (not sure what other prospects we might be able to add to Rochester next year) need to develop for at least a year in Rochester together. Calling them up this young and as individuals will be a massive mistake I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 You can expect Asplund to be in Rochester and, maybe Olofsson too. Really the Sabres need to execute proper drafting for the next 3 years straight. That's why we suck, not enough talent and bad drafts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 You can expect Asplund to be in Rochester and, maybe Olofsson too. Really the Sabres need to execute proper drafting for the next 3 years straight. That's why we suck, not enough talent and bad drafts. What about Pu? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 Yup Pu will be Rochester bound. Could add Pu, Asplund, Mittelstadt, and Oloffson to Rochester plus maybe Casey Fitgerald. That would be a good start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rakish Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 Did you use his USHL numbers?  I find I get much better results using 2 years of data (so this isn't exactly my board), but this is what I had of 17 year olds since Mittelstadt's high school numbers aren't really usable  Suzuki 829 Pettersson 826 Vilardi 788 Andersson 746 Patrick 710 Boquist (SHL) 689 Norris 667 Mittelstadt 645 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 Ichiro? Is there anything that guy can't do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 Yup Pu will be Rochester bound. Could add Pu, Asplund, Mittelstadt, and Oloffson to Rochester plus maybe Casey Fitgerald. That would be a good start. Borgen (21 in Dec) and Bryson (20) could also be signed to add D depth to Rochester. My guess is Jbot will try to sign Borgen at the college season’s end to avoid another FA situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubkev Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 keeping Nazi's from taking over the planet, Â Buuuuusst! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPie Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 Yup Pu will be Rochester bound. Could add Pu, Asplund, Mittelstadt, and Oloffson to Rochester plus maybe Casey Fitgerald. That would be a good start. Â I have high hopes for Pu in Rochester. As any Rochestarian will tell you, their Pu doesn't stink. Â Buuuuusst! Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3putt Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 I find I get much better results using 2 years of data (so this isn't exactly my board), but this is what I had of 17 year olds since Mittelstadt's high school numbers aren't really usable  Suzuki 829 Pettersson 826 Vilardi 788 Andersson 746 Patrick 710 Boquist (SHL) 689 Norris 667 Mittelstadt 645 His pro rated numbers in the USHL were/are comparable to Svecthnikov's are they not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rakish Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 His pro rated numbers in the USHL were/are comparable to Svecthnikov's are they not?  Andrei? They're 16 months apart when they each played in the USHL.  Andrei scored about 72 (base 60) that year, Adams is 54, the model may pick up Alger at 57 (I forget where the cuttoff is, Alger played only 20 games), anyway Andrei is the best player on the Lumberjacks by 15 or 18 points. Andrei's on a better team than Mittelstadt, but not by much, and that's sort of arbitrary, since Mittelstadt didn't play the entire season there. Both have NHL bodies. Mittlestadt also scored about 72, and outscored his teammates by more (72-50), so 22 points better.  So they had very similar seasons, but 16 months apart, so not comparable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 Yes, but he was bad in Rochester last year, and he was invisible in the 3-3 this year, and fairly invisible last year's 3-3 (I think he put in a couple penalty shots). My point is that Nylander's 2017 WJC wasn't representative of his play and his supporters are relying on bits of data that are too small. Â In my charts I don't use WJC numbers for this reason. I agree, he didn't look great against the good teams in that WJC. Â Mittelstadt is finally getting some usable numbers (high school doesn't count), and while I haven't run the numbers yet (I hope to have time over Christmas), it doesn't look as wonderful as say Elias Pettersson drafted by Vancouver, who is just killing the SHL right now Do you have a quick guess for how you think Mittelstadt (or even Nylander) project at the NHL level? Early days prediction? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rakish Posted December 1, 2017 Report Share Posted December 1, 2017 Do you have a quick guess for how you think Mittelstadt (or even Nylander) project at the NHL level? Early days prediction? Â I'll try to get something together for Christmas. Â It's not something I do well off the top of my head, but for an 8th pick, Mittlestadt's numbers look OK, but not great. Last year was really disappointing for Nylander, I thought the AHL was a really poor choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted December 1, 2017 Report Share Posted December 1, 2017 While TM made the choice, I had wonder if his dad or agent had something to do with Nylander going to the AHL.  I seem to remember a worry that he’d return to Sweden if we sent him back to Jrs.  My guess is everyone now realizes, including Nylander, that he’d have been better off back in jrs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
French Collection Posted December 1, 2017 Report Share Posted December 1, 2017 While TM made the choice, I had wonder if his dad or agent had something to do with Nylander going to the AHL. I seem to remember a worry that he’d return to Sweden if we sent him back to Jrs. My guess is everyone now realizes, including Nylander, that he’d have been better off back in jrs. TM probably wanted him in Rochester to more closely monitor the development. In hindsight, Sweden's top league may have been a good option. I don't think junior would have helped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted December 1, 2017 Report Share Posted December 1, 2017 While TM made the choice, I had wonder if his dad or agent had something to do with Nylander going to the AHL. I seem to remember a worry that he’d return to Sweden if we sent him back to Jrs. My guess is everyone now realizes, including Nylander, that he’d have been better off back in jrs. Why is that necessarily the case? Maybe surviving the grind of last year set him up to succeed this year?  I don’t have a strong opinion on the above, I just think the jury is still out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted December 2, 2017 Report Share Posted December 2, 2017 (edited) Mittestud with another asst tonight. Pu had a shi.... game tonight no pts and a -3. Edited December 2, 2017 by GASabresIUFAN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom webster Posted December 2, 2017 Report Share Posted December 2, 2017 Andrei? They're 16 months apart when they each played in the USHL. Â Andrei scored about 72 (base 60) that year, Adams is 54, the model may pick up Alger at 57 (I forget where the cuttoff is, Alger played only 20 games), anyway Andrei is the best player on the Lumberjacks by 15 or 18 points. Andrei's on a better team than Mittelstadt, but not by much, and that's sort of arbitrary, since Mittelstadt didn't play the entire season there. Both have NHL bodies. Mittlestadt also scored about 72, and outscored his teammates by more (72-50), so 22 points better. Â So they had very similar seasons, but 16 months apart, so not comparable. The whole process is arbitrary, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rakish Posted December 2, 2017 Report Share Posted December 2, 2017 The whole process is arbitrary, Â No, it isn't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrico Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 Another beauty shot and goal by Casey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom webster Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 No, it isn't Junk science Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 Junk science A field that interests me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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