inkman Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 Meh. He'll never amount to anything. Plenty of his former peers tore up juniors only to become the next Luke Adam of the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 So Pu has come up big lately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 Plenty of his former peers tore up juniors only to become the next Luke Adam of the world. Yup. The chances of prospects like this panning out is not unsimilar to how the lottery system works. In that I mean, we didn't "lose" the lottery in 2015, there was only ever a 20% chance we were going to win. The default was not winning, even after putting ourselves in the situation most likely to result in a win. The default outcome for a 3rd round pick is fringe NHLer. No matter how well Cliff Pu does in his second post draft junior year, his odds of being an NHLer can be maximized, but they remain low. The most likely outcome here is that he's never an impact player for us. I'm not ragging on Pu, I like him as a prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
French Collection Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 Cliff Pu with another 2 point night. JBot signing him reinvigorated his game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted November 28, 2017 Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 http://buffalonews.com/2017/11/27/sabres-prospects-rodrigues-ready-to-make-another-good-impression/ So our "top" goalie prospect is playing in a second tier league in Finland. Not Good! Outside of Mittelstud and maybe Davidsson, not really impressed with the numbers for the kids in Jbot's first class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted November 28, 2017 Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 http://buffalonews.com/2017/11/27/sabres-prospects-rodrigues-ready-to-make-another-good-impression/ So our "top" goalie prospect is playing in a second tier league in Finland. Not Good! Outside of Mittelstud and maybe Davidsson, not really impressed with the numbers for the kids in Jbot's first class. Kinda depends on whether that's a men's league, innit? He's only 18. Botterill said he is expecting/hoping for four Sabres at the WJC and Lukkonen is one he specifically named; the team has hopes he will be Finland's top goalie. Not sure who the others are; imagine Pu and Middelstadt are two of them. Davidsson, Nylander would be the other strong candidates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted November 28, 2017 Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 http://buffalonews.com/2017/11/27/sabres-prospects-rodrigues-ready-to-make-another-good-impression/ So our "top" goalie prospect is playing in a second tier league in Finland. Not Good! Outside of Mittelstud and maybe Davidsson, not really impressed with the numbers for the kids in Jbot's first class. Jacob Bryson having a decent year, too: http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=253923 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
French Collection Posted November 28, 2017 Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 Linus Weissbach is a freshman at U is Wisconsin, scoring 12 points in 15 games. Good for a seventh rounder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted November 28, 2017 Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 Jacob Bryson having a decent year, too: http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=253923 Except Bryson is already 20. By the time he done with college he’ll already be a mature prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted November 28, 2017 Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 http://buffalonews.com/2017/11/27/sabres-prospects-rodrigues-ready-to-make-another-good-impression/ So our "top" goalie prospect is playing in a second tier league in Finland. Not Good! Outside of Mittelstud and maybe Davidsson, not really impressed with the numbers for the kids in Jbot's first class. Analyzing a draft class 6 months later is a little shortsighted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rakish Posted November 28, 2017 Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 Analyzing a draft class 6 months later is a little shortsighted. There's actually a strong correlation between World Junior participation and NHL success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader1969 Posted November 28, 2017 Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 There's actually a strong correlation between World Junior participation and NHL success. thats great to hear for all those worried about Nylander (not me), since he led the WJC in scoring last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rakish Posted November 28, 2017 Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 thats great to hear for all those worried about Nylander (not me), since he led the WJC in scoring last year. Look closer at the games Nylander played. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 Look closer at the games Nylander played. What are you thinking in regard to Nylander? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rakish Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 What are you thinking in regard to Nylander? Group A was really weak. The Swedes played their first 4 games against bad teams, then their first playoff round they played Slovakia, so they had 5 games against bad opponents. It was only the final two games they played against good teams, and they lost both. By only looking at the stats (7 games, 5 goals, 7 assists) you ignore the competition the Swedes played against Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3putt Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 Group A was really weak. The Swedes played their first 4 games against bad teams, then their first playoff round they played Slovakia, so they had 5 games against bad opponents. It was only the final two games they played against good teams, and they lost both. By only looking at the stats (7 games, 5 goals, 7 assists) you ignore the competition the Swedes played against But you would have to do that for everyone. If looked at compared to all similar aged individuals the numbers are still good. And they lost one of those games because the uber prospect Dahlin had two gaffes at critical times resulting in goals against. I get your point, but his production across tourneys is pretty good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rakish Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 Yes, but he was bad in Rochester last year, and he was invisible in the 3-3 this year, and fairly invisible last year's 3-3 (I think he put in a couple penalty shots). My point is that Nylander's 2017 WJC wasn't representative of his play and his supporters are relying on bits of data that are too small. In my charts I don't use WJC numbers for this reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 Yes, but he was bad in Rochester last year, and he was invisible in the 3-3 this year, and fairly invisible last year's 3-3 (I think he put in a couple penalty shots). My point is that Nylander's 2017 WJC wasn't representative of his play and his supporters are relying on bits of data that are too small. In my charts I don't use WJC numbers for this reason. I'm inclined to agree with you Raki. I don't think Nylander's WJC numbers are worth paying attention to. I would prefer Nylander not even attend the WJC. I think his efforts should be focused on Rochester. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3putt Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 Yes, but he was bad in Rochester last year, and he was invisible in the 3-3 this year, and fairly invisible last year's 3-3 (I think he put in a couple penalty shots). My point is that Nylander's 2017 WJC wasn't representative of his play and his supporters are relying on bits of data that are too small. In my charts I don't use WJC numbers for this reason. Or he was physically immature in Rochester last year. I thought he looked good since he has been back this year, admittedly through less than optimal streamed video. The fact that he is entering his second pro season and still eligible for the WJC tells me to realign my expectations to a much younger player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rakish Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 Maybe I'm being too harsh, but people here will compare him to Keller or another prospect on that level, and he's not at that level. He gets to 1.2ppg in Rochester, I'll be happy to change my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustache of God Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 http://www.buffalohockeybeat.com/sabres-promote-jordan-nolan-scoring-line/- this article has a snippet at the bottom saying Ullmark has been recalled. Is there any info if Johnson or Lehner is injured? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3putt Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 Maybe I'm being too harsh, but people here will compare him to Keller or another prospect on that level, and he's not at that level. He gets to 1.2ppg in Rochester, I'll be happy to change my mind. Keller is a beast. My hope is Casey can get close to that level. I still think Nylander can be an effective top six scorer over time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 I have no idea what Nylander will become, but I don’t think we really have any adequte numbers to judge him by. Raki points out his WJr competition and we all know he was the youngest player in the AHL last season and not physically ready for that level of competition. Now he is older, stronger, but recovering from an obviously severe injury, thus has only 6 games under his belt. So what exactly are we judging him on 2015-16 in the OHL? He averaged 1.3 pts per game and 1.5 in the playoffs. I’m not sure we’ll know what we have in Nylander until much later this season. In his 6 games ytd he has 3 pts but is -6 on a good team. Not a great start, but I want to see the numbers 25-30 games in. If he is progressing, I’d like to see him at 24 + pts in those 30 games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rakish Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 Mittelstadt is finally getting some usable numbers (high school doesn't count), and while I haven't run the numbers yet (I hope to have time over Christmas), it doesn't look as wonderful as say Elias Pettersson drafted by Vancouver, who is just killing the SHL right now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkard Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 Mittelstadt is finally getting some usable numbers (high school doesn't count), and while I haven't run the numbers yet (I hope to have time over Christmas), it doesn't look as wonderful as say Elias Pettersson drafted by Vancouver, who is just killing the SHL right now You need more than just raw numbers to quantify the awesomeness that is Casey Mittelstadt though. You have to take into account the fact that he's single handedly maintaining the earth's orbit around the sun, keeping Nazi's from taking over the planet, defeating ISIS, and playing every position on the ice simultaneously while working on the cure for cancer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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