sabills Posted July 1, 2017 Report Share Posted July 1, 2017 Waking up this morning and thinking about this trade again, and its not the Darcy-level fleecing I was thinking it was when it was first announced, but man, its just such a solid trade. Good value, take on some salary while you can afford it, flesh out the D, don't give up anything you'll reaaaally miss. I like it so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted July 1, 2017 Report Share Posted July 1, 2017 If I was a wild fan , I would never want to see a trade rumour with the sabres pop up again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKnowPhysics Posted July 1, 2017 Report Share Posted July 1, 2017 At least from judging their performance the past three-ish years, this is true: Buffalo got the two best players in the trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted July 1, 2017 Report Share Posted July 1, 2017 Trades should help both teams. Wild definitely got cap relief and bottom-six heft. Hopefully Ennis rebounds for them and replaces some of JP's offence. Â Pominville has to be better than last years Ennis and hopefully allows Sam to move inside. Scandella fills our biggest need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Crotch Posted July 1, 2017 Report Share Posted July 1, 2017 If I was a wild fan , I would never want to see a trade rumour with the sabres pop up again. Â I think this was a very good trade for the Wild. They unload a bad contract (Pommer) and get rid of, essentially, their 5th defenseman who is injury prone for two younger, cheaper forwards. Â The Sabres wanted Scandella in this deal. He's been playing in the Pred's division, so Housley knows his game. We were forced to take on Pommer's (bad) contract as a provision for securing Scandella. It had nothing to do with wanting Pommer back, although Pommer and Botterill were teammates for a couple of season with the Amerks, so I'm sure they are friends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7+6=13 Posted July 1, 2017 Report Share Posted July 1, 2017 If it was all on Bylsma, why is JBOT making these moves?  I guarantee he replaces at least half of the bottom 6, and he's already replaced half the defense.   I don't think Bylsma had much to work with and he's getting a bad rap for it.  I didn't say it was all on Bylsma - I said his system and agreed that his chalk board coaching style didn't work. He also managed to lose the locker room and should take the rap for that.  Everyone knows player changes were going/needed to happen - that's why the moves are being made. Did you think last years lineup would stay the same? Is Bylsma who'd you rather have coaching this team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted July 1, 2017 Report Share Posted July 1, 2017 I think this was a very good trade for the Wild. They unload a bad contract (Pommer) and get rid of, essentially, their 5th defenseman who is injury prone for two younger, cheaper forwards. Â The Sabres wanted Scandella in this deal. He's been playing in the Pred's division, so Housley knows his game. We were forced to take on Pommer's (bad) contract as a provision for securing Scandella. It had nothing to do with wanting Pommer back, although Pommer and Botterill were teammates for a couple of season with the Amerks, so I'm sure they are friends. Good post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted July 1, 2017 Report Share Posted July 1, 2017 I think this was a very good trade for the Wild. They unload a bad contract (Pommer) and get rid of, essentially, their 5th defenseman who is injury prone for two younger, cheaper forwards. Â The Sabres wanted Scandella in this deal. He's been playing in the Pred's division, so Housley knows his game. We were forced to take on Pommer's (bad) contract as a provision for securing Scandella. It had nothing to do with wanting Pommer back, although Pommer and Botterill were teammates for a couple of season with the Amerks, so I'm sure they are friends. Except one major factor. Ennis is owed 4.6 for the next 2 years an has only given us 74g and 24 total pts the last 2 seasons. For essentially $1mill for each of the next 2 years we have secured a winger who has averaged 76games and 42 pts the last 2 season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radar Posted July 1, 2017 Report Share Posted July 1, 2017 I think this was a very good trade for the Wild. They unload a bad contract (Pommer) and get rid of, essentially, their 5th defenseman who is injury prone for two younger, cheaper forwards. Â The Sabres wanted Scandella in this deal. He's been playing in the Pred's division, so Housley knows his game. We were forced to take on Pommer's (bad) contract as a provision for securing Scandella. It had nothing to do with wanting Pommer back, although Pommer and Botterill were teammates for a couple of season with the Amerks, so I'm sure they are friends. This trade was a win for us. Not the Wild. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tondas Posted July 1, 2017 Report Share Posted July 1, 2017 This trade was a win for us. Not the Wild. Â OneBuffalo - We ALWAYS win the offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksndmonster Posted July 1, 2017 Report Share Posted July 1, 2017 This trade was a win for us. Not the Wild.It was good for both teams. The Wild dumped Pommers' contract and picked up Foligno so it's good for them. Value wise, I think the trade is better for us (because Ennis is next to useless), but the value of cap space can't be understated for the wild. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted July 1, 2017 Report Share Posted July 1, 2017 I think we need to remember that Pommer's trend indicates that he could go Moulson on us at any moment, while Ennis is cheaper and 7 years younger and had scored 20 goals 3 times in the 5 years prior to his concussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottysabres Posted July 1, 2017 Report Share Posted July 1, 2017 I think we need to remember that Pommer's trend indicates that he could go Moulson on us at any moment, while Ennis is cheaper and 7 years younger and had scored 20 goals 3 times in the 5 years prior to his concussion. There you go, sending out them negative vibes. I've had nothing but good thoughts about this trade :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted July 1, 2017 Report Share Posted July 1, 2017 I think we need to remember that Pommer's trend indicates that he could go Moulson on us at any moment, while Ennis is cheaper and 7 years younger and had scored 20 goals 3 times in the 5 years prior to his concussion. Care to make an avatar bet on their production? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted July 1, 2017 Report Share Posted July 1, 2017 I think we need to remember that Pommer's trend indicates that he could go Moulson on us at any moment, while Ennis is cheaper and 7 years younger and had scored 20 goals 3 times in the 5 years prior to his concussion. Â Tim Connolly did pretty well before his concussion, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ct fab Posted July 1, 2017 Report Share Posted July 1, 2017 Just think, since last year we have potentially 4 new starting dmen: a former first rounder in Booya, a solid Russian import, a legit top 4 dman ins scandella and Guhle, though I'm convinced they want him to be top 2 dman in Rochester. Tbots is also being aggressive in restocking Rochester, to create a winning atmosphere there. Want I'm intrigued about is he has a ton of cap space to work with. What's he going to do with it, if anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kas23 Posted July 1, 2017 Report Share Posted July 1, 2017 Tim Connolly did pretty well before his concussion, too. Don't forget Patty too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksndmonster Posted July 1, 2017 Report Share Posted July 1, 2017 I think we need to remember that Pommer's trend indicates that he could go Moulson on us at any moment, while Ennis is cheaper and 7 years younger and had scored 20 goals 3 times in the 5 years prior to his concussion.Pommers actually played real hockey last year. Ennis hasn't looked like an NHLer for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyK Posted July 2, 2017 Report Share Posted July 2, 2017 Ennis at his best is a 20 goal scorer on a bad team. He does not bring much else to his team...he has little value in playoff hockey and makes 4.6 Million $ a year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted July 2, 2017 Report Share Posted July 2, 2017 We are slowly approaching 1000 days since Ennis was last able to be considered a functioning NHLer. Pominville, again, in a diminished role, put up more ES points than any Sabre last season. I'm not expecting that next year, but I expect more than a walking corpse. The reason Minny fans are so livid is that the total cap savings are so small to justify giving up Scandella for such a meh player when defensemen are at a premium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkard Posted July 2, 2017 Report Share Posted July 2, 2017 (edited) We are slowly approaching 1000 days since Ennis was last able to be considered a functioning NHLer. Pominville, again, in a diminished role, put up more ES points than any Sabre last season. I'm not expecting that next year, but I expect more than a walking corpse. Â The reason Minny fans are so livid is that the total cap savings are so small to justify giving up Scandella for such a meh player when defensemen are at a premium. Exactly. They could have freed up more cap space just moving Scandella for futures than they got through the trade. Apparently they've been after Foligno for a couple years though. Â Pominville is an upgrade over Ennis. Now if we could only find a way to move Moulson. Edited July 2, 2017 by Drunkard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted July 2, 2017 Report Share Posted July 2, 2017 It should be clear to everyone that Jbot would rather have a 34 declining $5.6 forward then Ennis. What does that say about Tyler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted July 2, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2017 As mentioned on twitter. Marco Scandella and Kulikov are signed for the same number of years, however Kulikov's AAV is 4.3 to Scandella's 4 Million Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted July 2, 2017 Report Share Posted July 2, 2017 Care to make an avatar bet on their production? Those are high stakes. Â I'll do it if the loser's avatar becomes a photo of the higher-scoring player. Â Also, it should be their 2-year production, not one year. That is too long to wait though, so we can make it just the first year although it favors you. Pommers actually played real hockey last year. Ennis hasn't looked like an NHLer for years. Ennis has been lost for the past 2 seasons because of a severe concussion in the first of those 2 seasons. He had 21 and 20 goals in the 2 seasons before the concussion. Â He's a real top 6 forward with elite speed when healthy. He was getting his legs back at the end of last year. If he gets the timing back in his hands, he will be effective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted July 2, 2017 Report Share Posted July 2, 2017 freeman--if you look at the trade as Ennis for Scandella and Foligno for Pominville, does that make it look better to you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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