MattPie Posted January 11, 2016 Report Share Posted January 11, 2016 I don't think he lost 6 straight even after Larry and Darcy stripped the team. Maybe I'm wrong. But this team certainly is better than the 2012 team, no? Lindy wasn't the problem. Disco Stu is the problem. Lindy had Elite goaltending for almost all of his tenure. :ph34r: ( ;) ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted January 12, 2016 Report Share Posted January 12, 2016 I'm not ready to write DD off just yet. The team is starting to function offensively, and when Pysser gets back it'll give us another puck moving, defensively responsible, butt-goal-scoring defenseman. I'm actually starting to get excited about the team again. Playoffs are probably out of the question, but if they can play above .500 for the rest of the year I'll be a happy camper. And regardless of the lack of production from the vets, I think they are producing a lot in the locker room with the kids, instilling work ethic, building the team, showing the kids how the game is played right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrico Posted January 12, 2016 Report Share Posted January 12, 2016 Don't love DDB player usage but with Pysser missing so much time and Jacker still a teenager it's tough to judge the results. Ok, I just wanted a reason to get Pysser and Jacker in the same sentence :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted January 21, 2016 Report Share Posted January 21, 2016 To what extent can we blame Bylsma for our abysmal 5v5 scoring? Is it unfair to give him any blame? Is it all lack of talent and injuries? Can someone find our 5v5 GPG compared to last year's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted January 21, 2016 Report Share Posted January 21, 2016 I'd be interested to see the Sabres lack of secondary scoring compared to other teams... It feels like they're only getting production from four or five guys. Zero depth (and health issues) are killing this team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted January 21, 2016 Report Share Posted January 21, 2016 To what extent can we blame Bylsma for our abysmal 5v5 scoring? Is it unfair to give him any blame? Is it all lack of talent and injuries? Can someone find our 5v5 GPG compared to last year's?Any stats compared to last year are pretty much useless honestly. It'd be better to view Byslma's history and trends with it and compare it to league averages Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted January 21, 2016 Report Share Posted January 21, 2016 Any stats compared to last year are pretty much useless honestly. It'd be better to view Byslma's history and trends with it and compare it to league averages Not really. There should be a significant improvement over last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted January 21, 2016 Report Share Posted January 21, 2016 Not really. There should be a significant improvement over last year.That's what I mean, it really isn't an accurate representation of anything about this team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted January 21, 2016 Report Share Posted January 21, 2016 That's what I mean, it really isn't an accurate representation of anything about this team If there is not a significant improvement in 5v5 scoring over last year, I'd say that says an awful lot about this team. The roster is greatly improved and, supposedly, so is the coaching staff. 5v5 scoring should be improved accordingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted January 21, 2016 Report Share Posted January 21, 2016 If there is not a significant improvement in 5v5 scoring over last year, I'd say that says an awful lot about this team. The roster is greatly improved and, supposedly, so is the coaching staff. 5v5 scoring should be improved accordingly.Definitely, if that's the case. I highly doubt it is, and really what I'm referring to is any improvement shouldn't be how we evaluate DD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Rhea Posted January 21, 2016 Report Share Posted January 21, 2016 Lindy had Elite goaltending for almost all of his tenure. :ph34r: ( ;) ) The goaltending was only elite while Hasek was here. Nobody else, it's foolish to think otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted January 21, 2016 Report Share Posted January 21, 2016 The goaltending was only elite while Hasek was here. Nobody else, it's foolish to think otherwise.Ah, this again :lol: Miller doesn't have a Vezina, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted January 21, 2016 Report Share Posted January 21, 2016 2015-16: 74 even strength goals, 47 games, 1.57 per game 2014-15: 116 even strength goals, 82 games, 1.41 per game Source is here: http://www.sportingcharts.com/nhl/stats/team-even-strength-goal-ratio/2015/ I suggest that this roster over last year's roster should result in a bigger difference than one even strength goal every six games or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted January 21, 2016 Report Share Posted January 21, 2016 2015-16: 74 even strength goals, 47 games, 1.57 per game 2014-15: 116 even strength goals, 82 games, 1.41 per game Source is here: http://www.sportingcharts.com/nhl/stats/team-even-strength-goal-ratio/2015/ I suggest that this roster over last year's roster should result in a bigger difference than one even strength goal every six games or so. Thanks for finding these. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted January 21, 2016 Report Share Posted January 21, 2016 Is that Dan's fault, or Moulson, Ennis, and others'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted January 21, 2016 Report Share Posted January 21, 2016 Is that Dan's fault, or Moulson, Ennis, and others'? Don't know yet. I don't think he's using either of those guys correctly, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted January 21, 2016 Report Share Posted January 21, 2016 Don't know yet. I don't think he's using either of those guys correctly, though.Ennis I'm not sure about, but he's definitely not using Moulson correctly. I'll dig up his 5v5 history later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyldnwoody44 Posted January 21, 2016 Report Share Posted January 21, 2016 Gotta say that I question DD these days about usage quite a bit. We are clicking well and then he inserts gorges into the lineup, the gionta usage in the earlier part of the year, the kane/eichel mess. The Alamo mode. I know it's a rebuilding year and I wasnt expecting playoffs at all, but I'm a little underwhelmed overall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTS Posted January 21, 2016 Report Share Posted January 21, 2016 To what extent can we blame Bylsma for our abysmal 5v5 scoring? Is it unfair to give him any blame? Is it all lack of talent and injuries? Can someone find our 5v5 GPG compared to last year's? I don't know. I look at this team and realize that now they score on the PP which they didn't do last year. I think to myself that when the Sabres can compress their talent into two lines they are able to score. This means that either the rest of the team sucks or they are having a down year, or both. So, I would suspect as they filter in new talent the scoring should increase in 5 on 5. Look at the Bruins abysmal 5 on 5 scoring. I think the same thing is happening there but they are on the decline. 2015-16: 74 even strength goals, 47 games, 1.57 per game 2014-15: 116 even strength goals, 82 games, 1.41 per game Source is here: http://www.sportingcharts.com/nhl/stats/team-even-strength-goal-ratio/2015/ I suggest that this roster over last year's roster should result in a bigger difference than one even strength goal every six games or so. Good stuff. Here's the thing though. Different coaching systems might account for some of the reason why the increase is not higher. more below... Ennis I'm not sure about, but he's definitely not using Moulson correctly. I'll dig up his 5v5 history later And here is where I bring that up. What if Ennis and Moulson just do not play well in the DD system? We should expect a decrease in their scoring. Perhaps they were better suited for the Nolan way of life or some other coaching style? It's clear we have some who are flourishing (Risto, Eichel, McGinn, Kane, O'Reilly, Reinhart). A talented player can be diminished by the role a coach requires him to play. We saw this with Ovechkin. We attributed a lot of that to Lindy Ruff too. I don't think all the pieces fit yet. So the 5 on 5 scoring remains improved but not as improved as it could be based on those factors. I don't know how much of it is the coach yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted January 21, 2016 Report Share Posted January 21, 2016 You can blame Lehner for the 5v5 struggles, probably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3putt Posted January 21, 2016 Report Share Posted January 21, 2016 Not really. There should be a significant improvement over last year. Why? Even Assuming a higher quality of player we have suffered a high volume of lost man games (Kane, Lehner, Ennis, Pysyk, Girgensons) so the overall capability is roughly equivalent. You keep saying we should be better but I don't see why. We are new, and young. I don't get the heightened expectations other than hype around the trades and the draft. We still were bringing, Gionta, Moulson, Foligno, Dlo Gorges Johnson to the dance. 2015-16: 74 even strength goals, 47 games, 1.57 per game 2014-15: 116 even strength goals, 82 games, 1.41 per game Source is here: http://www.sportingcharts.com/nhl/stats/team-even-strength-goal-ratio/2015/ I suggest that this roster over last year's roster should result in a bigger difference than one even strength goal every six games or so. Again why "should it?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted January 21, 2016 Report Share Posted January 21, 2016 Why? Even Assuming a higher quality of player we have suffered a high volume of lost man games (Kane, Lehner, Ennis, Pysyk, Girgensons) so the overall capability is roughly equivalent. You keep saying we should be better but I don't see why. We are new, and young. I don't get the heightened expectations other than hype around the trades and the draft. We still were bringing, Gionta, Moulson, Foligno, Dlo Gorges Johnson to the dance. Again why "should it?" I'm not sure what Johnson has to do with goals for. Last year, Gionta, Moulson, Foligno, etc. were about the best on the roster. This year they are not. It really should be self-evident that this year's roster is considerably better than last year's roster, even with injuries. If you actually want to argue that point, I'm not having it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted January 21, 2016 Report Share Posted January 21, 2016 Any stats compared to last year are pretty much useless honestly. It'd be better to view Byslma's history and trends with it and compare it to league averages Agreed, the Sabres literally set the Mendoza line for modern NHL stats. Below that you are so sucky that suck won't even claim you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted January 21, 2016 Report Share Posted January 21, 2016 You can blame Lehner for the 5v5 struggles, probably. Nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted January 21, 2016 Report Share Posted January 21, 2016 You can blame Lehner for the 5v5 struggles, probably. No one is blaming Lehner for anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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