Jeanbe Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 Most people here don't even know the Yotes exist and frankly I haven't been to a game in two years and wanted to get to the west valley to see the Sabres or Leafs this year but never did. Why? I live in the east valley, work downtown Phoenix and by the time I get home with nightmare traffic, to feed the dogs and hit the road to head to the other side of the valley with heavy traffic heading that way is just not worth the frustration. The arena is in a horrible location for most out here. Glendale doesn't deserve a hockey team. The whole Westgate (where the arena is) development went bankrupt, which was developed by Steve Ellman the former Coyotes owner. Westgate has nothing to offer that I can't get in Scottsdale or in the area I live just south of PHX. This putting a team in PHX was a clusterf### from the beginning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunomatic Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 This would be a dream come true for me. Hockey belongs in Quebec City. Les Nordiques augmentera a nouvea! I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 (edited) Chris Daniels @ChrisDaniels5 10m10 minutes ago BREAKING - Glendale City Council approves measure to TERMINATE Arizona Coyotes Arena deal. #NHL For the love of god and all things holy move the freaking coyotes elsewhere. Edited June 11, 2015 by LGR4GM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeanbe Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 Chris Daniels @ChrisDaniels5 10m10 minutes ago BREAKING - Glendale City Council approves measure to TERMINATE Arizona Coyotes Arena deal. #NHL yotes.PNG For the love of god and all things holy move the freaking coyotes elsewhere. I agree. AZ doesn't deserve or respect hockey and they should go to a city that actually wants a team. I emailed a local PHX reporter to ask if he could find out how many days the Gila River Arena was used outside of the 42 days the Coyotes used it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeanbe Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 Here is a link for how many people the arena takes in without Coyotes games. 90,000 vs. 500,000 for the yotes games. Lots of good op ed links from local journalists on this. http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/glendale/2015/06/09/glendale-vote-coyotes-deal/28777933/ Quebec should be dancing in the street on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 (edited) I've hoped for a while that they could make it work down there. The Phoenix market (you know, the place where they don't actually play) is massive and it's one that the league could absolutely use. Their time is up though. This thing has fallen apart too many times now. It's time to ship them somewhere else. I'd imagine they aim for one of the western markets though because the eastern conference already has two extra teams and they won't want a repeat of Winnipeg in the Southeast. How far along are things in Seattle and Vegas? I haven't seen the expansion thread in a while. edit: Oh, there it is. That's what I get for starting with the thread at the top of the board. Edited June 11, 2015 by shrader Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 I don't think Bettman will allow the Yotes to move to Quebec City. That team needs to stay west of/dang near the Mississippi River. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPie Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 This would be a dream come true for me. Hockey belongs in Quebec City. Les Nordiques augmentera a nouvea! I don't think Bettman will allow the Yotes to move to Quebec City. That team needs to stay west of/dang near the Mississippi River. IMHO, there's almost no chance Bettman moves another team into the east. Vegas, KC (Sunshines?), Seattle, Portland, or Salt Lake (Slugs?) are more likely. (I threw SLC in there for Chris in UT). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTS Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 Yep.. the only way the Coyotes could move to the East was if two teams moved to the West. I don't see it happening. But they need to move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 Yep.. the only way the Coyotes could move to the East was if two teams moved to the West. I don't see it happening. But they need to move. Why would two need to move? They're going to keep that 16/14 imbalance until they expand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 Most people here don't even know the Yotes exist and frankly I haven't been to a game in two years and wanted to get to the west valley to see the Sabres or Leafs this year but never did. Why? I live in the east valley, work downtown Phoenix and by the time I get home with nightmare traffic, to feed the dogs and hit the road to head to the other side of the valley with heavy traffic heading that way is just not worth the frustration. The arena is in a horrible location for most out here. Glendale doesn't deserve a hockey team. The whole Westgate (where the arena is) development went bankrupt, which was developed by Steve Ellman the former Coyotes owner. Westgate has nothing to offer that I can't get in Scottsdale or in the area I live just south of PHX. This putting a team in PHX was a clusterf### from the beginning. That's too bad. REEEEEAAAAALLY wish that when pinheads look for real estate to build rinks in emerging markets that they'd stop and ask themselves WHY are they getting such a great deal on land / lease off in the proverbial "middle of nowhere." One could put a new MLG on the outskirts of Mississauga or another suburb and never miss a beat, but putting one on the wrong side of Miami, Phoenix, or (insert emerging hockey market here) and you'll only get the hardcore fans showing which is extremely difficult to overcome. My guess is that team ends up in Vegas long before they even give QC a chance to put in a bid. KC is the absolute farthest east I'd expect them to move. Very difficult for me to see a scenario where a team ends up in QC. The lack of English is the final nail in QC's chances, IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biodork Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 Well at least one Coyote fan is pissed off (no one I know): Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeanbe Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 Well at least one Coyote fan is pissed off (no one I know): She was great. Well said and speaks for many of the passionate fans of hockey in PHX. Good op-ed in the AZ Republic here http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nhl/coyotes/2015/06/11/dan-bickley-latest-glendale-skirmish-best-thing-for-arizona-coyotes/71097156/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 I really don't want to see hockey leave Arizona. I think it should be there. But man does Glendale seem to not want it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biodork Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 She was great. Well said and speaks for many of the passionate fans of hockey in PHX. Good op-ed in the AZ Republic here http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nhl/coyotes/2015/06/11/dan-bickley-latest-glendale-skirmish-best-thing-for-arizona-coyotes/71097156/ Interesting. I love the idea that ownership could use the out clause to "relocate" to Phoenix proper. Better chance at survival and a poke in the eye to the Glendale council. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 She was great. Well said and speaks for many of the passionate fans of hockey in PHX. Good op-ed in the AZ Republic here http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nhl/coyotes/2015/06/11/dan-bickley-latest-glendale-skirmish-best-thing-for-arizona-coyotes/71097156/ Get the Yotes in Phoenix and the Cats in Miami proper. Let's see just how bad the south is in terms of interest. My gut feel is it's better than the detractors claim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 Well at least one Coyote fan is pissed off (no one I know): Gotta love the "drop the mic" move she does at the end as she's walking out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 (edited) She's talking about things that don't matter. The city is losing millions and are supposed to continue to do so because a group of people are passionate in supporting the team and have made the personal decision to spend money on it? A good response to what she had to say: http://deadsp.in/Ll5Ead8 Sometimes it seems like saying something passionate into a microphone is all you need to do to become a hero. Edited June 12, 2015 by Hoss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biodork Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 Gotta love the "drop the mic" move she does at the end as she's walking out. :lol: I saw that, too. She's talking about things that don't matter. The city is losing millions and are supposed to continue to do so because a group of people are passionate in supporting the team and have made the personal decision to spend money on it? A good response to what she had to say: http://deadsp.in/Ll5Ead8 Sometimes it seems like saying something passionate into a microphone is all you need to do to become a hero. Whoa, buddy; as far as I know, you're the only one calling her a hero. The point is that there are passionate and avid hockey fans in Arizona, since so many here like to ridicule and sh!t on the Coyotes. If the arena and ownership issues could ever be resolved there are already people there who would support the team and they might have a shot at expanding that fan base. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 (edited) :lol: I saw that, too. Whoa, buddy; as far as I know, you're the only one calling her a hero. The point is that there are passionate and avid hockey fans in Arizona, since so many here like to ridicule and sh!t on the Coyotes. If the arena and ownership issues could ever be resolved there are already people there who would support the team and they might have a shot at expanding that fan base. I feel for any fan that loses their team. Even in Buffalo - a good hockey market - the future of the Sabres was not always a given. I've met very passionate and knowledgeable fans from non-traditional markets: Florida, Tampa, San Jose, Raleigh, Dallas. I think it would just suck if they lost their connection to the NHL, like Minnesota, Winnipeg, Quebec, Hartford, once did. (I've never really forgiven the NBA for the Braves, BTW). Edited June 12, 2015 by X. Benedict Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 She was great. Well said and speaks for many of the passionate fans of hockey in PHX. Good op-ed in the AZ Republic here http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nhl/coyotes/2015/06/11/dan-bickley-latest-glendale-skirmish-best-thing-for-arizona-coyotes/71097156/ What a great line: "Meanwhile, the commissioner is a bulldog, a smack-talker, a scar-hardened executive with alligator skin." Bettman is a real Dale Hunter. I've never been surprised that the owners love him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Crotch Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 I haven't been to a game in two years and wanted to get to the west valley to see the Sabres or Leafs this year but never did. Why? I live in the east valley, work downtown Phoenix and by the time I get home with nightmare traffic, to feed the dogs and hit the road to head to the other side of the valley with heavy traffic heading that way is just not worth the frustration. The arena is in a horrible location for most out here. Glendale doesn't deserve a hockey team. The whole Westgate (where the arena is) development went bankrupt, which was developed by Steve Ellman the former Coyotes owner. Westgate has nothing to offer that I can't get in Scottsdale or in the area I live just south of PHX. This putting a team in PHX was a clusterf### from the beginning. I've heard this is a big issue with the Coyotes. The stadium is in an area that most fans can't get to on weeknights. Same with the Florida Panthers. The stadium is nowhere near downtown in a city where gridlock is the norm. It was like that in DC back in the day when the Caps and Bullets played in Landover on the far side of the beltway from those of us living in Northern Virginia. I'd have to leave work an hour early and sit through an hour and a half of bumper-to-bumper traffic just to go to a weeknight game. Fortunately, they put the new arena downtown and people could get there on the Metro. Problem solved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTS Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 Why would two need to move? They're going to keep that 16/14 imbalance until they expand. The most likely would be Detroit or Columbus getting bounced back West. If they move 1 team back they would create an 8 team central and a 6 team pacific division. If they moved Columbus AND Detroit they could shift Colorado to the West. That hinders plans to expand into Las Vegas AND Seattle however. It's actually the most likely scenario that the Coyotes can't be considered to move East. They would move to a new market that would retain a 7 team Pacific Division.. so, Las Vegas or Seattle would be the likely choices. This leaves an opportunity for Kansas City at some other point to fill in the Central and the loser of the Coyotes franchise (LV or Seattle) to get the other expansion team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 The most likely would be Detroit or Columbus getting bounced back West. If they move 1 team back they would create an 8 team central and a 6 team pacific division. If they moved Columbus AND Detroit they could shift Colorado to the West. That hinders plans to expand into Las Vegas AND Seattle however. It's actually the most likely scenario that the Coyotes can't be considered to move East. They would move to a new market that would retain a 7 team Pacific Division.. so, Las Vegas or Seattle would be the likely choices. This leaves an opportunity for Kansas City at some other point to fill in the Central and the loser of the Coyotes franchise (LV or Seattle) to get the other expansion team. I'm still not following on the logic of multiple teams moving. Right now we have 14 in the west and 16 in the east. That's what they're going to stick with. So Phoenix leaves the west, one team from the east gets bumped out west. They may shuffle the divisions within each conference to account for this, but at the end it will still be 16 east, 14 west. I don't think they want a scenario where within a conference, the divisions have an unequal amount of teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
\GoBillsInDallas/ Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 NHL Game Center Live Lawsuit settlement reached: https://fortune.com/2015/06/12/nhl-blackouts-settlement/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.