Sharks trade Karlsson to Penguins in 3 team trade with Montreal

[matter2003]

Pittsburgh desperately needs to rebuild but they keep acquiring aging players instead. Short term sure he will help. But how much? Probably not as much as they think.

 

Hope they enjoy still struggling to make the playoffs next year before the bottom drops out.

 

 

 

 

https://www.pensburgh.com/platform/amp/2023/8/6/23821953/penguins-breaking-news-trade-erik-karlsson-sharks-canadiens

Edited August 6, 2023 by matter2003

[Scottysabres]

They are past their prime, but Crosby, Malkin, Letang are still dangerous. Now add in this past decades Norris champion and they got better. Playoff noise making better? I don't know, but adding Karlson isn't a negative imo.

[matter2003]

Just now, Scottysabres said:

They are past their prime, but Crosby, Malkin, Letang are still dangerous. Now add in this past decades Norris champion and they got better. Playoff noise making better? I don't know, but adding Karlson isn't a negative imo.

 

It isn't short term, but it is long term. They are simply in denial at this point. It happens to a lot of teams with aging vets that have had a lot of success...trying to hold on for too long...look at what the Blackhawks have been going thru. They should have learned from their mistakes not make the same ones 

[#freejame]

2 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

 

It isn't short term, but it is long term. They are simply in denial at this point. It happens to a lot of teams with aging vets that have had a lot of success...trying to hold on for too long...look at what the Blackhawks have been going thru. They should have learned from their mistakes not make the same ones 

When you have one of the greatest players of all-time who has been more than generous to the franchise, you do what you can to compete every season. There is no long term in Pittsburgh, it’s try to win a cup every year until Crosby retires. The decade after that doesn’t matter. 

[thewookie1]

It's certainly annoying that Pittsburgh just won't go away already and the East keeps getting better

3 minutes ago, #freejame said:

When you have one of the greatest players of all-time who has been more than generous to the franchise, you do what you can to compete every season. There is no long term in Pittsburgh, it’s try to win a cup every year until Crosby retires. The decade after that doesn’t matter. 

While mostly true; their issue isn't just long term assets/prospects. It's the fact most of their team is 30+ 

This season:

Forwards

Crosby 35, Malkin 37, Rust 31, Rakell 30, Smith 32, Carter 38, Eller 34, Acciari 31, Nieto 30

Defense

Karlsson 33, Letang 36, Ruhwedel 33

 

That is 9/12 Forwards and 3/7 Defense

Also Guenzel is trapped behind the LTIR wall

 

 

[Claude Balls]

4 minutes ago, thewookie1 said:

It's certainly annoying that Pittsburgh just won't go away already and the East keeps getting better

While mostly true; their issue isn't just long term assets/prospects. It's the fact most of their team is 30+ 

This season:

Forwards

Crosby 35, Malkin 37, Rust 31, Rakell 30, Smith 32, Carter 38, Eller 34, Acciari 31, Nieto 30

Defense

Karlsson 33, Letang 36, Ruhwedel 33

 

That is 9/12 Forwards and 3/7 Defense

Also Guenzel is trapped behind the LTIR wall

 

 

That's a Geritol crew you've listed. 👨‍🦼 

[PASabreFan]

It took two seconds for a puzzled Sabres fan to say you're doing it wrong.

Someone flip KA out of his hammock.

[Eleven]

They’re going to fall hard, be on the verge of moving again, and get successive 1OA picks again via the totally random lottery.

[matter2003]

34 minutes ago, #freejame said:

When you have one of the greatest players of all-time who has been more than generous to the franchise, you do what you can to compete every season. There is no long term in Pittsburgh, it’s try to win a cup every year until Crosby retires. The decade after that doesn’t matter. 

They are very unlikely to win a cup at this point with their aging roster.

[Crusader1969]

Hopefully the barn door is now open and we will see more trade

im still in the camp that Hanifan is a Sabres by the time camp opens 

[LGR4GM]

52 minutes ago, thewookie1 said:

It's certainly annoying that Pittsburgh just won't go away already and the East keeps getting better

While mostly true; their issue isn't just long term assets/prospects. It's the fact most of their team is 30+ 

This season:

Forwards

Crosby 35, Malkin 37, Rust 31, Rakell 30, Smith 32, Carter 38, Eller 34, Acciari 31, Nieto 30

Defense

Karlsson 33, Letang 36, Ruhwedel 33

 

That is 9/12 Forwards and 3/7 Defense

Also Guenzel is trapped behind the LTIR wall

 

 

According to capfriendly, their forwards average age is 31.2 and Defense average age is 29.1

For the Sabres perspective, Forwards is 26.1 and Defense is 25.8

[dudacek]

3 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

According to capfriendly, their forwards average age is 31.2 and Defense average age is 29.1

For the Sabres perspective, Forwards is 26.1 and Defense is 25.8

Average age is such a misleading stat.

What matters are the windows - rising U25, declining O30 and prime years in between - and the amount of key players you have in each window.

[GASabresIUFAN]

Why does this trade look like musical chairs on 3 sinking ships? 

Montreal actually has 3 goalies.  Do you think they added Smith so that they can trade Jake Allen?

[#freejame]

54 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

They are very unlikely to win a cup at this point with their aging roster.

It doesn’t matter that they’re very unlikely to win a cup. No team is likely to win a cup. They’re still going to go for it best they can every year until he’s retired. 

[matter2003]

7 minutes ago, #freejame said:

It doesn’t matter that they’re very unlikely to win a cup. No team is likely to win a cup. They’re still going to go for it best they can every year until he’s retired. 

If they wanted to go it for the best they could they would be getting younger prospects at some point not doubling down on aging vets. Karlsson has a great season again last year but it was his first great season in a while and at his age it's more likely that was a one off than something you can expect again.

Edited August 6, 2023 by matter2003

[Randall Flagg]

1 hour ago, Eleven said:

They’re going to fall hard, be on the verge of moving again, and get successive 1OA picks again via the totally random lottery.

This might eventually happen, but it's not particularly relevant to us. The only thing I care about is that the 23-24 penguins just got a bit harder to leapfrog, which isn't a good thing

[Eleven]

6 minutes ago, Randall Flagg said:

This might eventually happen, but it's not particularly relevant to us. The only thing I care about is that the 23-24 penguins just got a bit harder to leapfrog, which isn't a good thing

If I can't overtake a bicycle in my car, I shouldn't drive.

[Buffalonill]

Oh I thought GMS are on vacation?

Must be just adams oh well

 

[Weave]

3 hours ago, matter2003 said:

 

It isn't short term, but it is long term. They are simply in denial at this point. It happens to a lot of teams with aging vets that have had a lot of success...trying to hold on for too long...look at what the Blackhawks have been going thru. They should have learned from their mistakes not make the same ones 

Denial?  Hold on for too long?  Holy *****, what is with wishing that teams give up?  They have a player that is still arguably one of the top 2-3 in the league, a 2C that is still 1C level, an all star on the wing.  And they aren’t ready to give up either.  They just did what they should be doing, cashing in every season that they still have top end talent on the roster.

The losing will come.  It always comes.  There is no reason to hasten it along.

Edited August 6, 2023 by Weave

[Brawndo]

2 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

Why does this trade look like musical chairs on 3 sinking ships? 

Montreal actually has 3 goalies.  Do you think they added Smith so that they can trade Jake Allen?

This was my first thought. He’s not very good, but his goals saved above expected is much better than Comrie or UPL 

[K-9]

3 hours ago, #freejame said:

When you have one of the greatest players of all-time who has been more than generous to the franchise, you do what you can to compete every season. There is no long term in Pittsburgh, it’s try to win a cup every year until Crosby retires. The decade after that doesn’t matter. 

The decade after that is gonna matter a whole lot when they’re in the midst of it. 

[matter2003]

46 minutes ago, Weave said:

Denial?  Hold on for too long?  Holy *****, what is with wishing that teams give up?  They have a player that is still arguably one of the top 2-3 in the league, a 2C that is still 1C level, an all star on the wing.  And they aren’t ready to give up either.  They just did what they should be doing, cashing in every season that they still have top end talent on the roster.

The losing will come.  It always comes.  There is no reason to hasten it along.

No reason to prolong the rebuild either when you aren't winning sh!t

[Weave]

1 minute ago, matter2003 said:

No reason to prolong the rebuild either when you aren't winning sh!t

Get to the 16 that get in and see what happens.

[Sabres Fan in NS]

PGH all in for another cup or 2 before the best before date on Crosby.  At 35 they have a 2 to 3 year window.  None of the other old guys matter really.

Dollars to donuts they win one more cup in the next 3 years.  Maybe 2.  Then Crosby will retire and become special ambasador like Mario before him.  They will somehow manage to fenagle 1OA when the next Crosby or Mario comes around.

[shrader]

It’s interesting to see that after all these years they finally have someone making more money than Crosby.